Vengeqnce Warlock Wyll?

[DELAMAIN]

Will it work lorewise? How to rp?
Want playtrough as good Wyll

Made a pact to get powers to fight evil
And made vengeqnce oath for it
I mean...
Can a paladin which uses light be warlock same time?
Mb rp as pact to some good entity is possible?
I just want to use pact blade sharisma build)

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Vengeqnce Warlock Wyll?
Will it work lorewise? How to rp?
Want playtrough as good Wyll

Made a pact to get powers to fight evil
And made vengeqnce oath for it
I mean...
Can a paladin which uses light be warlock same time?
Mb rp as pact to some good entity is possible?
I just want to use pact blade sharisma build)

Make him lose his lover to Mizora.

[victorvnv]

RP you can do whatever you like

Canon wise RP wyll is a warlock and not a paladin or multiclass . So makes zero sense that someone binded by demonic pact can also swear an Oath as his pact boss can easily tell him to break it and he would be obligated to do so.

So again lore wise makes zero sense but gameplay wise it’s a very powerful combination and I enjoy using it.

In the end you have to chose to go by lore or by gameplay

[The1Kobra]

Paladin/Warlock is a very strong combo mechanically.
Oath of Vengeance probably fits him best RPwise. I like the Oath of the Ancients mechanically but that one is admittedly harder to justify while he's a warlock.

Oath of the Ancients + Fey warlock, if the patron is Seelie, fits pretty well RPwise. But Wyll is stuck as a fiend warlock.
Making a fiend pact would certainly break Oath of the Ancients and Devotion. They could try to get out of the warlock pact but the above oaths don't really allow for him doing too much outside Lawful Good, so...

Oath of Vengeance works best. Vengeance against all those monsters who prey on the innocent. Fits how he turned to the hells to do the same, even if it's a much less clean power.

[victorvnv]

Originally posted by The1Kobra:

Paladin/Warlock is a very strong combo mechanically.
Oath of Vengeance probably fits him best RPwise. I like the Oath of the Ancients mechanically but that one is admittedly harder to justify while he's a warlock.

Oath of the Ancients + Fey warlock, if the patron is Seelie, fits pretty well RPwise. But Wyll is stuck as a fiend warlock.
Making a fiend pact would certainly break Oath of the Ancients and Devotion. They could try to get out of the warlock pact but the above oaths don't really allow for him doing too much outside Lawful Good, so...

Oath of Vengeance works best. Vengeance against all those monsters who prey on the innocent. Fits how he turned to the hells to do the same, even if it's a much less clean power.

If you paid attention to his story arc you would understand that his pact has loopholes that would inevitably make him break it- like how he was hired to kill Karlach and she isn’t evil. Without the main character to convince him otherwise he would have killed her and his oath would break.

And with such loopholes Mizora could make him break his pact over and over as she pleases . So again no, RP wise makes zero sense for wyll to become a paladin.

Better to make a custom Tav in which case you can justify any class combinations for any reason as it’s non canon .

[The1Kobra]

I do admit, fiend Warlock/Paladin is kinda reaching. Technically, for a paladin, if they've done something to oathbreak in the past when they haven't become a paladin yet, it's not necessarily OK but it won't cause them to fall. Wyll starts as a warlock so he'd have to become a paladin after pacting to fit the story.

What it does mean though is that Wyll would have to walk a tightrope around both his fiend pact and paladin oath, and I expect Mizora would try to engineer a situation (like with Karlach) where Wyll would end up becoming an Oathbreaker. At that point, it's either break the pact and keep the oath, which will subject him to infernal consequences, or uphold the pact and break the Oath.

The question is of course, what the requirements are to become a paladin in the first place, and would having an active infernal pact invalidate it? I would admit if I were DMing, I wouldn't allow Oath of Devotion or Ancients to someone who's actively fiend pacted. Vengeance is a stretch too. I suppose it's in theory possible though?
Unless of course, he was a paladin first, then made the fiend pact, became an Oathbreaker, and is then an Oathbreaker/Warlock. Which certainly fits.

But I'm not sure if the Oathbreaker conditions apply to companions mechanically in BG3? I haven't tested that.

I do admit for a custom character Oath of the Ancients/Fey Warlock is probably the easiest combo to justify, especially if you say your Fey patron is one of the Seelie court.

[DELAMAIN]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

RP you can do whatever you like

Canon wise RP wyll is a warlock and not a paladin or multiclass . So makes zero sense that someone binded by demonic pact can also swear an Oath as his pact boss can easily tell him to break it and he would be obligated to do so.

So again lore wise makes zero sense but gameplay wise it’s a very powerful combination and I enjoy using it.

In the end you have to chose to go by lore or by gameplay

What if we rp that he breaked pact with mizora and after all garbage made an oath to kill all demons ect while still having warlock powers... Should work tho and sounds cool as paladin from hell)

[victorvnv]

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Originally posted by victorvnv:

RP you can do whatever you like

Canon wise RP wyll is a warlock and not a paladin or multiclass . So makes zero sense that someone binded by demonic pact can also swear an Oath as his pact boss can easily tell him to break it and he would be obligated to do so.

So again lore wise makes zero sense but gameplay wise it’s a very powerful combination and I enjoy using it.

In the end you have to chose to go by lore or by gameplay

What if we rp that he breaked pact with mizora and after all garbage made an oath to kill all demons ect while still having warlock powers... Should work tho and sounds cool as paladin from hell)

Not possible beucase if you break the pact with her in the end which is a legit option, after the final battle wyll sais that his powers are draining so he would just become a paladin or whatever he likes .

But once he breaks the pact he is no longer a warlock .

So you could RP if you break the pact with Mizora to a pure paladin I guess which would make sense given Wylls personality and self righteousness.

But no way as both warlock and paladin at the same time , especially with someone like Mizora as his patron who will make his life a living hell and keep finding ways to force him to break his oath.

And RP wise wyll shouldn’t be so dumb as to swear an oath to anything knowing that his will isn’t his own and he is bounded by a legal pact

[Clonedpickle]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

What if we rp that he breaked pact with mizora and after all garbage made an oath to kill all demons ect while still having warlock powers... Should work tho and sounds cool as paladin from hell)

Not possible beucase if you break the pact with her in the end which is a legit option, after the final battle wyll sais that his powers are draining so he would just become a paladin or whatever he likes .

But once he breaks the pact he is no longer a warlock .

So you could RP if you break the pact with Mizora to a pure paladin I guess which would make sense given Wylls personality and self righteousness.

But no way as both warlock and paladin at the same time , especially with someone like Mizora as his patron who will make his life a living hell and keep finding ways to force him to break his oath.

And RP wise wyll shouldn’t be so dumb as to swear an oath to anything knowing that his will isn’t his own and he is bounded by a legal pact

Here's the thing though, oath breaking needs to be done willingly. Having a contract and being forced to is going against his will, so it wouldn't break.

[victorvnv]

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Originally posted by victorvnv:

Not possible beucase if you break the pact with her in the end which is a legit option, after the final battle wyll sais that his powers are draining so he would just become a paladin or whatever he likes .

But once he breaks the pact he is no longer a warlock .

So you could RP if you break the pact with Mizora to a pure paladin I guess which would make sense given Wylls personality and self righteousness.

But no way as both warlock and paladin at the same time , especially with someone like Mizora as his patron who will make his life a living hell and keep finding ways to force him to break his oath.

And RP wise wyll shouldn’t be so dumb as to swear an oath to anything knowing that his will isn’t his own and he is bounded by a legal pact

Here's the thing though, oath breaking needs to be done willingly. Having a contract and being forced to is going against his will, so it wouldn't break.

Except it will be his will. Like if you sign a contract with an employer to work 9-5 And then sign another contract with a different employer that says you will work from 3-11 with him, you can’t really say that if you end up being late for your 3-11 job that you signed for After knowing you have other job that it’s not your fault and you are late outside your will.

Wyll isn’t forced by a dominate person spell , he has the choise to disobey his contract and face consequences or break his oath - all based on free will.

[DELAMAIN]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Here's the thing though, oath breaking needs to be done willingly. Having a contract and being forced to is going against his will, so it wouldn't break.

Except it will be his will. Like if you sign a contract with an employer to work 9-5 And then sign another contract with a different employer that says you will work from 3-11 with him, you can’t really say that if you end up being late for your 3-11 job that you signed for After knowing you have other job that it’s not your fault and you are late outside your will.

Wyll isn’t forced by a dominate person spell , he has the choise to disobey his contract and face consequences or break his oath - all based on free will.

So no matter what in BG3 if you are warlock you are slave?
Cant rp that after mizora he started to consume fiends power by killing under vengeance oath?
Like other games where warlock command not opposite

[Clonedpickle]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

Originally posted by Clonedpickle:

Here's the thing though, oath breaking needs to be done willingly. Having a contract and being forced to is going against his will, so it wouldn't break.

Except it will be his will. Like if you sign a contract with an employer to work 9-5 And then sign another contract with a different employer that says you will work from 3-11 with him, you can’t really say that if you end up being late for your 3-11 job that you signed for After knowing you have other job that it’s not your fault and you are late outside your will.

Wyll isn’t forced by a dominate person spell , he has the choise to disobey his contract and face consequences or break his oath - all based on free will.

Disobeying can also lead to oath breaks as well. A devotion paladin says no but that can be seen as breaking the honor tenet. Same applies to the other oaths with their own scenario.

Mizora can test Wyll but at no point could she give him a choice that no matter what would force a break.

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Originally posted by victorvnv:

Except it will be his will. Like if you sign a contract with an employer to work 9-5 And then sign another contract with a different employer that says you will work from 3-11 with him, you can’t really say that if you end up being late for your 3-11 job that you signed for After knowing you have other job that it’s not your fault and you are late outside your will.

Wyll isn’t forced by a dominate person spell , he has the choise to disobey his contract and face consequences or break his oath - all based on free will.

So no matter what in BG3 if you are warlock you are slave?
Cant rp that after mizora he started to consume fiends power by killing under vengeance oath?
Like other games where warlock command not opposite

No, A warlock pact can be mutual, antagonistic or not even known by the patron that the warlock is tapping into their power. Just in Wyll's story he is a slave to Mizora via a contract.