The problem is not representation...

[shadowlurker]

But OVERrepresentation.

The arguments used most often by defenders of overrepresented homosexuality and the also overused "strong female lead" in this game are "LGBT exists", and "This only reflects the real world". Well let me say you, it does not. LGBT represent only a tiny minority of the real world population. Overrepresenting is just as bad as not representing at all.

No one is saying there SHOULDN'T be a reasonable amount of LGBT and "strong female lead" representation. In Act 3 everyone and their dog is gay and/or strong female lead. Even freaking Raphael is gay.

At this point Larian is just pandering, and this annoying obsession (admitedly fueled by really loud lobbies that not only affect Larian, but whole industries) with OVERrepresenting this themes must stop.

This game could have been the greatest masterpiece of the decade, but due to decisions like this it falls short of the true jewel it could have been.

Bring back the moderate, middle way, where wisdom lies.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by shadowlurker:

The problem is not representation...
But OVERrepresentation.

The arguments used most often by defenders of overrepresented homosexuality and the also overused "strong female lead" in this game are "LGBT exists", and "This only reflects the real world". Well let me say you, it does not. LGBT represent only a tiny minority of the real world population. Overrepresenting is just as bad as not representing at all.

No one is saying there SHOULDN'T be a reasonable amount of LGBT and "strong female lead" representation. In Act 3 everyone and their dog is gay and/or strong female lead. Even freaking Raphael is gay.

At this point Larian is just pandering, and this annoying obsession (admitedly fueled by really loud lobbies that not only affect Larian, but whole industries) with OVERrepresenting this themes must stop.

This game could have been the greatest masterpiece of the decade, but due to decisions like this it falls short of the true jewel it could have been.

Bring back the moderate, middle way, where wisdom lies.

No.

[Orion Invictus]

What is "overrepresentation" and what would be the "correct" quota of LGBT characters?

[Ereghor the Enigmatic]

The "problem" is that these days, any publicity counts as good publicity.

As long as something incites culture wars, it draws attention, so of course media makers will continue to fan the flames, the actual quality or integrity be damned either way, because apparently you cannot build a fanbase or sell your product on genuine quality and a particular image alone these days.

[AsianGirlLover]

Yeah, it’s a little jarring how ethnicities have no real stereotypes or lore anymore.

Dwarves, Elves, Gnomes, etc. are all just boring humans now.

[Nikloss]

Oh no.. my lizard wizard shooting fireballs and raising the dead might exist in a world which does not play by the same rules as the real one. Shocked absolutely shocked.

[DietDrPibb]

What is the ratio of gay people currently in the game and what is the accurate representation of gay people in the magical land of Faerun.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

What is "overrepresentation" and what would be the "correct" quota of LGBT characters?

Probably the token stereo typical person of color, and a comical relief gay person...

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by DietDrPibb:

What is the ratio of gay people currently in the game and what is the accurate representation of gay people in the magical land of Faerun.

All your companions is "player sexual", so if you want to toss them into some category, it would be bisexual at best. As for the rest of the game, there is a the nightsong and Isabella and some gnome couple... if there is more I haven't really noticed I don't keep tabs on what characters in a game is gay and not.

[DietDrPibb]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by DietDrPibb:

What is the ratio of gay people currently in the game and what is the accurate representation of gay people in the magical land of Faerun.

All your companions is "player sexual", so if you want to toss them into some category, it would be bisexual at best. As for the rest of the game, there is a the nightsong and Isabella and some gnome couple... if there is more I haven't really noticed I don't keep tabs on what characters in a game is gay and not.

Well that's maybe 10 out of like hundreds of characters, even if the ratios were reversed whining about "over representation" is always just a smokescreen for bigotry.

[Gregorovitch]

Originally posted by shadowlurker:

No one is saying there SHOULDN'T be a reasonable amount of LGBT and "strong female lead" representation. In Act 3 everyone and their dog is gay and/or strong female lead. Even freaking Raphael is gay.

And what, exactly, would you define as "a reasonable amount of LGTP representation"? Reasonable from who's point of view? Yours? Or the 15m or so other players?

The reason why every companion in this game is 100% bisexual is very simple:

1. There are six main companions, three male and three female.

2. There are four main groups of players: straight males, gay males, straight females and gay females.

3. If each companion had a fixed single orientation there would be two romance options for two of the groups and only one for the other two groups.

4. So by making them all 100% bisexual the number of romance options available for each groups is increased to three at a stroke.

That makes what Larian has done a no brainer.

[DietDrPibb]

Yeah the playersexual companions are simply a matter of laziness/maximizing available content it's not about representation of any kind.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by DietDrPibb:

Yeah the playersexual companions are simply a matter of laziness/maximizing available content it's not about representation of any kind.

Or they didn't want the same drama from earlier games such as Cyberpunk when people got upset they couldn't romance Judy because she was gay.

Imagine playing BG3 as a male, your only female romance option would be a chubby gnome with beard. Meanwhile if you played a female character, she would have total beefcake chad... Have fun cuddle with your gnome, and no need to get upset... -)

[ViperClaw]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Yeah, it’s a little jarring how ethnicities have no real stereotypes or lore anymore.

Dwarves, Elves, Gnomes, etc. are all just boring humans now.

The artificial "diversification" of everything into a grey mass of blandness.

I agree, stereotypes and race-related statistically common alignments and the like gave everything more depth and character.

The Forgotten Realms during the 3.Xe run still had a good balancing inbetween a fixed setting with common lore and rules, but enough freedom to get creative and play complete exceptions to the rule if one felt like it.

[talemore]

I think of Judy and I know, we'll never fade away, a strange of beauty and I know we'll never fade away.


But it was not the last time.

Mass effect andromeda had a gay-straight and a ♥♥♥♥-stereotype and the teen ogre.
The gay-straight was a big mother tomboy and the ♥♥♥♥-stereotype was a pretty introvert. The ogre was bisexual mounting everyone.

[Daniel]

If they hardcoded ‘sexual orientation’ for the companions it would have: a. severely limited your playthrough and b. set up a companion for the archetype ‘gay’ spot who would be mocked and shunned to no end and I think no writer would want to see one of their characters end that way.

About the NPC’s orientation….idc man, one wrong word out of their mouth and my Durge kills them either way.

Imagine Lower City solely consisted of bald muscle boys who brag about the 5 women they …… today. Wouldn’t that be ridiculous?