Give females proficiency in persuasion and penalty in intimidation and...

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Since Larian is able to make a lot of changes to DnD 5e ruleset I suggest they also make females be less intimidating males. It's kind of stupid because IRL men are bigger and stronger than women and women are generally scared of men because of that.

Why is it only the drow race which adds these kind of gender differences where women are bigger and stronger than men. I think it should be likewise for human race in forgotten realms.

So women should be better at pursuasion than men but men should be better at intimidation.

[Membi]

Messaggio originale di When the music ends...:

Good point if we want to go for realism. But I think what we want is to go for DnD 5e ruleset.

Lets also keep in mind that not everything in DnD is supposed to be realistic... because in dnd fighters are generally supposed to be stupid with low intellect.. just an example. IRL it's possible to be both incredibly dexterious, strong, intelligent, wise, charismatic and a high constituation, you can be everything at the same time. Same thing with classes really.. but in DnD you have to be worse at something else to be good at something else.. for some classes it makes sense but not for all classes.. some things are easy to learn and doesn't need half a life time to become good at.

OP, this is a quote from you. Why doesn't your own opinion in that thread reflect on this subject as well?

[Quillithe]

Messaggio originale di When the music ends...:

It irks me that everyone wants to break standards of forgotten realms setting. Everyone wants to be a Drizzt or a female who's taller a stronger than all other men etc. These are rare exceptions, and actually in the latter case, it's scientific fact that the tallest and strongest humans ever alive are men. You won't find a woman in the top list. And i'm scared of the thought of what would happen to a woman who steps into the ring against mike tyson.

D&D adventurers aren't supposed to be average random people.

And that's a scientific fact about humans on Earth, yes. If this were a game about humans on Earth, you might have a point about realism here.

Although there'd be some bigger problems, like why you can take multiple hits from a battleaxe wearing no armor and somehow not die but keep fighting unhindered.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Messaggio originale di Quillithe:

Messaggio originale di When the music ends...:

It irks me that everyone wants to break standards of forgotten realms setting. Everyone wants to be a Drizzt or a female who's taller a stronger than all other men etc. These are rare exceptions, and actually in the latter case, it's scientific fact that the tallest and strongest humans ever alive are men. You won't find a woman in the top list. And i'm scared of the thought of what would happen to a woman who steps into the ring against mike tyson.

Although there'd be some bigger problems, like why you can take multiple hits from a battleaxe wearing no armor and somehow not die but keep fighting unhindered.

There actually is sort of an explanation for that - hit points don't represent how many times you take an axe to the face, they actually represent how well you are at reducing how much damage a weapon actually does to you when you get hit (kind of like rolling with the punches).

IN a sense, all hits in D&D are glancing wounds/flesh wounds until the last one that drops you.

[Quillithe]

Messaggio originale di Pan Darius Kairos:

Messaggio originale di Quillithe:

Although there'd be some bigger problems, like why you can take multiple hits from a battleaxe wearing no armor and somehow not die but keep fighting unhindered.

There actually is sort of an explanation for that - hit points don't represent how many times you take an axe to the face, they actually represent how well you are at reducing how much damage a weapon actually does to you when you get hit (kind of like rolling with the punches).

IN a sense, all hits in D&D are glancing wounds/flesh wounds until the last one that drops you.

Huh, I didn't know. You're still pretty unrealistically durable for humans from reality. I'm pretty sure nobody's getting hit by a 20ft radius flaming explosion and continuing to fight afterwards. Let alone apparently fully healing from it after a month without magic or modern medical care.

Or a lightning bolt - I'm not sure it's physically possible to keep standing at that point.

Which is fine because it's a heroic fantasy game and not a medieval european peasant simulation.

[Brady4444]

In a fictional world, there can be women that can lift far more than their body mass would indicate. It's all in the rule of cool. And you know what? I think I like it. :)

D&D hasn't had distinctions like what OP is describing since 1st Edition. You don't want anyone at the gaming table feeling bad because of what it is implying.

Cheers

[DCRWrites]

People also forget that people are not average. Yes, women average smaller and physically weaker (especially in upper body strength) than men. However, that doesn't mean all men are larger and stronger than all women. The ranges overlap.

Messaggio originale di Pan Darius Kairos:

Messaggio originale di Quillithe:

Although there'd be some bigger problems, like why you can take multiple hits from a battleaxe wearing no armor and somehow not die but keep fighting unhindered.

There actually is sort of an explanation for that - hit points don't represent how many times you take an axe to the face, they actually represent how well you are at reducing how much damage a weapon actually does to you when you get hit (kind of like rolling with the punches).

IN a sense, all hits in D&D are glancing wounds/flesh wounds until the last one that drops you.

The way I remember it from explanations back in the early days was that hit points measured luck and fatigue as much as they did physical damage. It's one of the reasons why old-school D&D had one minute combat rounds--combat was heavily abstracted. The number of attacks you had per round didn't represent the number of swings you took, but the number of good chances you could generate in a minute. More hit points represented a greater ability to avoid blows. Lost hit points represented your luck running out and the fact that after fighting for several minutes you couldn't quite dodge as fast as you could at the beginning of the fight.

Problems came in when people took the highly abstract system literally and then tried to modify it in the name of realism--without apparently understanding it was never supposed to be realistic in the first place.

[War Maiden]

Messaggio originale di DCRWrites:

People also forget that people are not average. Yes, women average smaller and physically weaker (especially in upper body strength) than men. However, that doesn't mean all men are larger and stronger than all women. The ranges overlap.

Yes, depending on the size of ones boobs, they are a considerable burden, especially if they are large and one has to work against them. (Like I do).

[Power]

Messaggio originale di When the music ends...:

Since Larian is able to make a lot of changes to DnD 5e ruleset I suggest they also make females be less intimidating males. It's kind of stupid because IRL men are bigger and stronger than women and women are generally scared of men because of that.

Why is it only the drow race which adds these kind of gender differences where women are bigger and stronger than men. I think it should be likewise for human race in forgotten realms.

So women should be better at pursuasion than men but men should be better at intimidation.

I have no idea what women you're referring too.... I have never once felt intimidated by a man... All they can do is punch you. Women however have the drive and ability to end your life on a physical, social, emotional, and spiritual level.... Like. A woman cut her husbands ♥♥♥♥ off for cheating.... they reattached it. She snuck into the hospital and cut it off again, and threw it out the window....

Women are intimidating AF. Even more to straight guys, EVEN MORE if they're really attractive. Women 100% should get a buff to intimidation and persuasion in general.

[dolby]

yeah people are not average but they become when you look at them in a data group of all people... For some reason few just get offended or upset by that, that's all.
Some people can't deal with the fact that they are just a numbers, a tiny pable in a desert.

Their are planty of different things both genders are good at...Those things change with evolution.

i never get upset when my wife or a covorker points those out. i mean it's not a conversazione that happens often but if or when it does i dont't get upset by those facts.. Men are worse at loads of things like we live shorter lives and so on...most people don't even know that and those that do don't care cos it doesn't mean much.
If anything i find the whole thing amusing a good tease - funny like jokes, about blonds or tall peopel or whatever.

It's nature working it's thing...and i like nature the way it is, why would i deny those general statistics?. NOne of those general facts means you can't brake the mold. So i really don't know what's the big deal. You can be and do anything with abit of luck.

I guess this justice fight for equality is going all over.. keep it up, nature demands it! hehe

[Quillithe]

Messaggio originale di dolby:

yeah people are not average but they become when you look at them in a data group of all people... For some reason few just get offended or upset by that, that's all.
Some people can't deal with the fact that they are just a numbers, a tiny pable in a desert.

Their are planty of different things both genders are good at...Those things change with evolution.

i never get upset when my wife or a covorker points those out. i mean it's not a conversazione that happens often but if or when it does i dont't get upset by those facts.. Men are worse at loads of things like we live shorter lives and so on...most people don't even know that and those that do don't care cos it doesn't mean much.
If anything i find the whole thing amusing a good tease - funny like jokes, about blonds or tall peopel or whatever.

It's nature working it's thing...and i like nature the way it is, why would i deny those general statistics?. NOne of those general facts means you can't brake the mold. So i really don't know what's the big deal. You can be and do anything with abit of luck.

I guess this justice fight for equality is going all over.. keep it up, nature demands it! hehe

Sure, but none of this has anything to do with D&D where we play as characters who by definition are abnormal and hardly average, and who come from a world where there are far bigger changes from our own than the distribution of muscle mass among genders.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Size and muscle mass was the primary factor in intimidation because wizards and sorcerers are rare in forgotten realms. It takes high intelligence and a life time of studying to become a powerful wizard. Sorcerers are born the way they are and it's very rare to be born a sorcerer. No idea what the percentage is but would guess less then 1% are wizards and sorcerers.

Size and muscle mass makes a huge difference in a fight. That's why we have weight categories in combat sports.

[dolby]

Messaggio originale di Quillithe:

Sure, but none of this has anything to do with D&D where we play as characters who by definition are abnormal and hardly average, and who come from a world where there are far bigger changes from our own than the distribution of muscle mass among genders.

yeah i know that's the problem its 5e it wasnt made for video game. i mean if this was table top he could talk it out with DM but in a video game you can't... It is what it is.. i guess he needs more options to role play how he wants. Like i said a few traits would go along way...LIke the way you can lose in eye in BG 3 is great... stuff like that. ;)

anyway i was just commenting the whole thread cos i'm kinda surprised that people get all upset cos one guy wants to gives negative trait to a woman in roleplaying game. WHere in real world things are going on that would blow your mind. Like i said nature doesn't care what we think or do..

[cantila1]

So a male halfling is by default more intimidating than a female barbarian?

[Aria Athena]

Messaggio originale di cantila1:

So a male halfling is by default more intimidating than a female barbarian?

Well, if it's a Lightfoot Halfling, sure.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

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Messaggio originale di DCRWrites:

People also forget that people are not average. Yes, women average smaller and physically weaker (especially in upper body strength) than men. However, that doesn't mean all men are larger and stronger than all women. The ranges overlap.

Yes, depending on the size of ones boobs, they are a considerable burden, especially if they are large and one has to work against them. (Like I do).

Exactly! Here we have a real woman admitting that boobs are a penalty in physical activities. You could argue they should receive a penalty in dexterity because of that, although I vaguely remember reading it has been scientific proven that women are more elastic than men, and can do things such as spreading their legs very wide easily, so I guess there is balance when it comes to dexterity so it doesn't have to be a penalty and neither a bonus.

But the boobs definitely help with seduction, i mean persuasion.