The Rogue gets 3 attacks.. does he?

[Martin]

He get's 2 attacks.

Well 3 I guess if you include dual wield.

3 possible attacks. He can also attack 3 times.. but he doesn't get 3 stealthed super backstabs. He get's 1. Then two bonus actions, which in my experience, tend to miss. "critical miss" twice.. from behind.. o..k..

People make out like the rogue is massively op.. but it really isn't.. at range if unstealthed.. it's the most likely target because of his rubbish armour. So usually dead.. in most games. You can spend many turns just waiting for opportunity.. in the same period of time a mage, fighter, ranger etc can all outdamage him and take less damage.. the rogue is a very situational class. A very squishy one.

imho.

Now sure people will argue that if he has the right armour, weapons, setup.. he can be lethal. But that is upto the player to decide, not his default class.

[Papa Yash]

No Hitman play style? Shame!

[Cat®]

The fighter is pretty bad if he is level 2 and refuses to wear armour, yes. But what's that to do with anything? Rogue is one of the tankiest characters in the game, and has the possibility for the highest damage output.

[N/A]

Nah thief rogues are awesome. It's great having an extra bonus action and being able to hide, disengage, dash, or offhand attack with any one of them.

[Ertwin]

引用自 Martin：

Now sure people will argue that if he has the right armour, weapons, setup.. he can be lethal. But that is upto the player to decide, not his default class.

This is true of literally every class in the game. If you don't pay attention to how you set up the character, they won't work as well as if you do.

[Cat®]

引用自 Ertwin：

引用自 Martin：

Now sure people will argue that if he has the right armour, weapons, setup.. he can be lethal. But that is upto the player to decide, not his default class.

This is true of literally every class in the game. If you don't pay attention to how you set up the character, they won't work as well as if you do.

My Wizard of Huge Gains casts his fist right into the face of the dwarf.

[jonnin]

if you are missing that much, something is wrong, and if you are super low health or being hit all the time, something is wrong.
The rogue is not OP, but he is also very much not weak.
D&D with a computer game is all about gaming the rules and system in your favor. In the table top, the DM can reason with you and balance encounters and bend the rules and all so you don't have to do all that to enjoy it, but the computer locks the rules in stone and has no common sense. The computer lets you build a weak character then punishes you for it. A good DM will warn you if your character looks like a soup of bad decisions and help you out or balance the gaming around your weaknesses. They tried to make it hard to do a useless character in this version of D&D but you sure can in the computer game.

[TheBlueFox]

Actually, the rogue gets THREE backstabs and FOUR offhand attacks...All poisoned with advantage.


Approach an enemy in stealth before combat begins. Enter turn based mode. Use a bonus action to apply poison to your weapons (And a second bonus action to apply oil of sharpness if you want, whatever.)

1 sneak attack. Combat begins. The enemy rolls to beat your stealth value with it's perception, which it can't, because you're a rogue. It gets the surprised condition and cannot act on it's first turn.

The rogue rolls high initiative and goes first, +1 sneak attack, +2 bonus action offhand attacks all poisoned from behind.

The enemies turn happens, but they are unable to act and end their turn, due to surprise.

+1 more sneak attack, +2 more bonus action offhand attacks.


There, 3 sneak attacks +4 bonus action offhand attacks before the enemy gets to even think about retaliating

[Martin]

You could add in a haste/speed potion to that and increase his attacks/movement as well. But that's a player issue, not a class issue.

Stabbing from behind is not the same as backstab skill. Which gives huge bonuses depending on stealth etc and other aspects, like does it put you into stealth or assume you're making a stealth attack. The bonus attacks are just simple attacks which only get the defensive debuff of attacking the rear of the target.