Dragonborne are not playable?

[KaffeeRausch]

I wrote a comment in a gaming magazine that I am worried about what Dragonborne will look like and that the Vanilla version is rather weak.

Now there is an answer where one says, "The last time I spoke to Swen Vincke, he said there will be no playable Dragonborne".

Will peoples who belong to the "unusual" stay out?
I can still understand that you cannot insert peoples from the category "Exotic" or "Monster".

Gith are then only playable because they are easy to make and belong to the story?

[Streeja]

I know Larian stated they were going to try to match the Players Handbook. But if they choose to leave something out, it is understandable.

I think at the end of the day, this is a budget decision. A lot goes into race in a game like BG3, especially when they really try to make them distinct with dialog tags and the like. So they would need visuals, mechanics, tags, and potentially dialog (maybe even voice over adds).

And of course, they need to fit the race in the story somehow. Which does not seem to be too much of an issue since the Mindflayers gathered subjects together on their ship potentially from all over the place (even different planes potentially).

I am not a D&D lore guy, so there could be some aspect I am not aware of.

[Landomart]

Originally posted by Streeja:

And of course, they need to fit the race in the story somehow. Which does not seem to be too much of an issue since the Mindflayers gathered subjects together on their ship potentially from all over the place (even different planes potentially).

I am not a D&D lore guy, so there could be some aspect I am not aware of.

Dragonborn are an uncommon race, but so are Gnomes, Half-Elves, Half-Orcs, and Tieflings. It would be hard to come up with an excuse to leave out Dragonborns, other than "We just didn't feel like doing the work to include them."

[The Rob]

I would be a little disappointed if they get left out. They've already got the dragon race from DOSII, it wouldn't be unreasonable to skin them in here. But yes, it would be a lot of work for dialogue and animation. I'd still like to see it-I thought we were going to get the contents of the 5e PHB, which includes Dragonborn.

[Jack]

Originally posted by 76561198024349873:

Originally posted by Streeja:

And of course, they need to fit the race in the story somehow. Which does not seem to be too much of an issue since the Mindflayers gathered subjects together on their ship potentially from all over the place (even different planes potentially).

I am not a D&D lore guy, so there could be some aspect I am not aware of.

Dragonborn are an uncommon race, but so are Gnomes, Half-Elves, Half-Orcs, and Tieflings. It would be hard to come up with an excuse to leave out Dragonborns, other than "We just didn't feel like doing the work to include them."

Well thats false, a lot of work have already been done on Dragonborn and lots of money spent, while they don't seem to be as ready as some other races missing models etc. I can assure you that they are more ready than some other "planned" races.

I really doubht they will be cut, but I don't see them released for quite some time either.
If they go under the knife, somthing odd must happen. As Larian have already invested a lot into two "a bit out of the ordenary" races.... Models or not....

[Streeja]

Originally posted by Jack:

Originally posted by 76561198024349873:

Dragonborn are an uncommon race, but so are Gnomes, Half-Elves, Half-Orcs, and Tieflings. It would be hard to come up with an excuse to leave out Dragonborns, other than "We just didn't feel like doing the work to include them."

Well thats false, a lot of work have already been done on Dragonborn and lots of money spent, while they don't seem to be as ready as some other races missing models etc. I can assure you that they are more ready than some other "planned" races.

I really doubht they will be cut, but I don't see them released for quite some time either.
If they go under the knife, somthing odd must happen. As Larian have already invested a lot into two "a bit out of the ordenary" races.... Models or not....

The OP stated " Now there is an answer where one says, "The last time I spoke to Swen Vincke, he said there will be no playable Dragonborne"."

Not sure where this came from. Assuming it is true... is it possible what you seen in the data mining is a NCP that is in the game but not a playable race? Just curious if this confirms what the OP states.

[Damashi The Kaotic]

Its possible that Swen actually meant "not in the game as of now". English isn't his 1st language, and he's made translation mistakes like that in the past.

[Spoonardo]

Originally posted by Damashi The Kaotic:

Its possible that Swen actually meant "not in the game as of now". English isn't his 1st language, and he's made translation mistakes like that in the past.

^ This. Too many people making claims based on assumptions in the forums.

[Sniper Bear]

something to keep in mind; its not uncommon for game devs to have a lot of junk data in the game files. so having certain tags in not definitive proof that something is going to be in the game. perhaps there are plans to add Dragonborne as a playable race, but at the same time, it could just be placeholder data.

[Malus]

Originally posted by Niob87:

I wrote a comment in a gaming magazine that I am worried about what Dragonborne will look like and that the Vanilla version is rather weak.

Now there is an answer where one says, "The last time I spoke to Swen Vincke, he said there will be no playable Dragonborne".

Will peoples who belong to the "unusual" stay out?
I can still understand that you cannot insert peoples from the category "Exotic" or "Monster".

Gith are then only playable because they are easy to make and belong to the story?

Provide a source please.

[Forechosen]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Sniper Bear:

something to keep in mind; its not uncommon for game devs to have a lot of junk data in the game files. so having certain tags in not definitive proof that something is going to be in the game. perhaps there are plans to add Dragonborne as a playable race, but at the same time, it could just be placeholder data.

Once again, fully voice acted dialogue. That's not junk data, that means they have actually recorded scenes which use that data.

Also once again, this dialogue is for characters who are already in the game itself, such as Volo, Auntie Ethel, Kagha and the tiefling who requires some training tips. Just to name some examples.

You're right, it's very likely they'll be in for the reasons you've stated. However, kind of like Sniper Bear said - developers have also been known to record voicelines for things they've never even intended to use at all - simply for the sake of convenience (you could use the lines for something else) or on the off chance they will change their mind, or use them for a DLC or whatever - and they won't have to call in voice actors again to repeat the process etc.

There was a bit of talk on it recently with Cyberpunk 2077… where it was found that the male character had complete voicelines for a romance companion usually only romanceable by females.

The developer said something *like* "nope, the character was never ever intended to be romanceable by males, but we recorded the lines anyway because why not".

Anyway, yeah, I'm sure you're right anyway, I'm just saying it's not a complete given.

[DCRWrites]

I would be very surprised if dragonborn weren't in the game; perhaps pleasantly surprised, but surprised none the less. As others have said, they are a core race in the 5E Players' Handbook and we can probably expect all of those.

Personally, i'm not fond of them at all, but I know a lot of people are. Given a choice, I'd probably limit it to mammals, but I'm not the one making the rules.

[Ghost]

So my own data-mining as far as races are concerned shows:

Human
Elf
-- Wood
-- High
Drow
-- Lolth
-- Seldarine
Dwarf
-- Hill
-- Mountain
-- Duergar
Half Elf
-- Half High
-- Half Wood
-- Half Drow
Gnome
Deep Gnome
Halfling
-- Lightfoot
-- Stout
Tiefling
-- Asmodeus
-- Mephistopheles
-- Zariel
Githyanki
*That's what's in the games race files that have progression at the moment.
It is simple enough to copy data over to make your own race, but tying them into the story is another matter. You'd have to be borrowing tags and things so it wouldn't truly be THAT race unless you were making a subrace.

As for the romance voice lines in cyberpunk, idk. They're broken down into preferences for body type and voice type. So you can have a female body with a male voice which might be why.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Niob87:

I wrote a comment in a gaming magazine that I am worried about what Dragonborne will look like and that the Vanilla version is rather weak.

Now there is an answer where one says, "The last time I spoke to Swen Vincke, he said there will be no playable Dragonborne".

Will peoples who belong to the "unusual" stay out?
I can still understand that you cannot insert peoples from the category "Exotic" or "Monster".

Gith are then only playable because they are easy to make and belong to the story?

Dragon born are in a different story and timeline and don't exist anymore. So why would they be in this game and story line?

Next people will complain there's no cars in it or velcro.. The game is what it is or will be, not what you want. That's life.

[Martin]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by DCRWrites:

Personally, i'm not fond of them at all, but I know a lot of people are. Given a choice, I'd probably limit it to mammals, but I'm not the one making the rules.

Why do I see people claiming to hate or at least disapprove of the dragonborn as a playable race?

On a somewhat related note, Dragonborn wouldn't be too difficult to implement into the game, either. They don't even have tails in the canonical lore. That's something the fan community likes to homebrew for them.

And even if they did have tails, they've already modeled the Tieflings with them, so it's not like adding tails to a playable model is something that would be too difficult for them.

Dragon born would imho.. be too powerful in endgame.

[KaffeeRausch]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Niob87:

I wrote a comment in a gaming magazine that I am worried about what Dragonborne will look like and that the Vanilla version is rather weak.

Now there is an answer where one says, "The last time I spoke to Swen Vincke, he said there will be no playable Dragonborne".

Will peoples who belong to the "unusual" stay out?
I can still understand that you cannot insert peoples from the category "Exotic" or "Monster".

Gith are then only playable because they are easy to make and belong to the story?

Swen has told you filthy LIES!

People are data mining the game and finding not only racial tags, but also fully voiced dialogue interactions with NPC's who are already in the game which reacts to such races.

The developers outright stated that everything from the player's handbook will be in. Dragonborn are one of the core races from the handbook, so they'll be in the game.

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Other tags and dialogue options that people have uncovered include Warforged (which share the Planar Tag with the Githyanki), several of the beast races (Aarakocra, Kenku, Tabaxi, Lizardfolk), Aasimar and Duergar.

Those are just the ones I can currently remember, without looking back on a video. So here, you can just take a look at this, if you want to know more.

https://youtu.be/Y5UUdTrD7jY

It would be nice if Dataminers etc. had new information, the whole thing is over 2 months old.

I know these videos, it would be nice if the developers could clearly report what comes as subclasses and subspecies in addition to races and classes.

Originally posted by Malus:

Originally posted by Niob87:

I wrote a comment in a gaming magazine that I am worried about what Dragonborne will look like and that the Vanilla version is rather weak.

Now there is an answer where one says, "The last time I spoke to Swen Vincke, he said there will be no playable Dragonborne".

Will peoples who belong to the "unusual" stay out?
I can still understand that you cannot insert peoples from the category "Exotic" or "Monster".

Gith are then only playable because they are easy to make and belong to the story?

Provide a source please.

https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/rollenspiele-2021-community,3366015.html

But it's German.

Originally posted by DCRWrites:

I would be very surprised if dragonborn weren't in the game; perhaps pleasantly surprised, but surprised none the less. As others have said, they are a core race in the 5E Players' Handbook and we can probably expect all of those.

Personally, i'm not fond of them at all, but I know a lot of people are. Given a choice, I'd probably limit it to mammals, but I'm not the one making the rules.

So I don't even know if the mammals are or lizards or somehow both.

With Kobold it should be clear that they are cold beasts who can store warmth for a long time.
Dragonborne says something about "internal heat source" but that could also be built-in gas heating or fire lungs.