In the early game

[Casus Fett]

Spoilers You come across a dead/dying dwarf with a tadpole that crawls out of his eye and you have the option to deal with it, naturally I have lost the dice roll multiple times to kill the tadpole and everyone in the party hates me for not doing it, what is the intend design here? Because if this happened to me in a DnD game without any proper explanation I would reach over and attempt to strangle the life out of the DM.

[Jack]

Well you will not love this:

Mined of: FOR_PriestsOfTheConqueringGods_Tadpole.lsj

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So nothing more than the obious, your party will love you if you succseed the roll...

[Streeja]

Originally posted by Casus Fett:

Spoilers You come across a dead/dying dwarf with a tadpole that crawls out of his eye and you have the option to deal with it, naturally I have lost the dice roll multiple times to kill the tadpole and everyone in the party hates me for not doing it, what is the intend design here? Because if this happened to me in a DnD game without any proper explanation I would reach over and attempt to strangle the life out of the DM.

Not exactly sure what your getting at. But I will explain what I see.
If you want to kill it, you try. But the tadpole in your head and the tadpole you want to kill is trying to manipulate you into letting it live. So you roll to see if you can overcome the tadpoles manipulation and kill it.

Your party members hate the tadpoles as well, and good riddance if you manage to kill it. If you can't, then they are disappointed.

Of course they did not have the will power to kill it either, So you can always gloat over their inability as well... just not in direct dialog... yet.

[TripSin]

Originally posted by Casus Fett:

Spoilers You come across a dead/dying dwarf with a tadpole that crawls out of his eye and you have the option to deal with it, naturally I have lost the dice roll multiple times to kill the tadpole and everyone in the party hates me for not doing it, what is the intend design here? Because if this happened to me in a DnD game without any proper explanation I would reach over and attempt to strangle the life out of the DM.

The tadpole in your head is restraining you, keeping you from killing the other tadpole. I doubt it makes much of a difference if you kill it or not, but who knows.

[Myunihausen]

I feel you OP. You're party just seems like dead weight, standing around doing nothing while you speak with people, search rooms, or any other action, but seem to care about the outcome.

[Casus Fett]

Originally posted by Streeja:

Your party members hate the tadpoles as well, and good riddance if you manage to kill it. If you can't, then they are disappointed.

Of course they did not have the will power to kill it either, So you can always gloat over their inability as well... just not in direct dialog... yet.

This is what annoys me.

If they're so much better than I let them kill the damn thing. Worthless wretches.

[Lλmbdλ]

Originally posted by Casus Fett:

Because if this happened to me in a DnD game without any proper explanation I would reach over and attempt to strangle the life out of the DM.

Did you consider to see a doctor about it ?

[bullse]

You are making a huge huge leap between 'hate" and disapproval/disapproves....a huge leap.

[-=EDF=- Kouta Seto]

Originally posted by Laurone:

Originally posted by Casus Fett:

Because if this happened to me in a DnD game without any proper explanation I would reach over and attempt to strangle the life out of the DM.

Did you consider to see a doctor about it ?

THIS is a natural reaction to unexplained stuff. NO DM is alowed to do stuff like that, its basic law how to DM. Either you give a good explonation about WHY you failed to actualy use your feet on what is basicaly a little bug, or you just let it die. Good DM's are PREPARED for stuff like that, they have ANSWERS ready for any given stuff that COULD happen. And in the rare case of them not having it, they will make one instantly.

[Jack Hawklight]

Originally posted by -=EDF=- Kouta Seto:

Originally posted by Laurone:

Did you consider to see a doctor about it ?

THIS is a natural reaction to unexplained stuff. NO DM is alowed to do stuff like that, its basic law how to DM. Either you give a good explonation about WHY you failed to actualy use your feet on what is basicaly a little bug, or you just let it die. Good DM's are PREPARED for stuff like that, they have ANSWERS ready for any given stuff that COULD happen. And in the rare case of them not having it, they will make one instantly.

Well, I mean, as some others have stated here as well I thought they had made it fairly obvious that it was your will against the psychic influence of the tadpoles whether to kill it or not. That was all the answers/interpretation I needed anyway. Or pause time and kill it if you want a sure thing as was also suggested above.

[dolby]

well the only thing i have a problem with is that they don't help you in the roll but i think
they are fixing stuff like that in the future.

So i was like hmm lets make a trap so i made the whole ground around the dwarf fire the little ♥♥♥♥♥♥ still gets away i tried acid, electricity nothing works!! the only way to kill it is to do the roll..

[Sparhawk122]

Originally posted by Casus Fett:

Originally posted by Streeja:

Your party members hate the tadpoles as well, and good riddance if you manage to kill it. If you can't, then they are disappointed.

Of course they did not have the will power to kill it either, So you can always gloat over their inability as well... just not in direct dialog... yet.

This is what annoys me.

If they're so much better than I let them kill the damn thing. Worthless wretches.

This is a big problem with party members in most RPGs sadly.

[guard65]

Just ware the ring and kill it.

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[bullse]

Originally posted by guard65:

Just ware the ring and kill it.

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Exactly, who in their right minds is going to go all the way to the Underdark and go through the long drawn out dialogue with the Mindflayer in the Myconid Colony and then either successfully obtain the ring for free or buy it THEN return to just outside the Druid's Grove for a low level encounter with a dying dwarf and his two thralls just to squash a worm easily with a MIND SHIELDING RING.....especially if one is a new player having utterly no clue how to get to Underdark, etc.? All that just so you can squish a worm and win the approval of your party members. Got it. NOT. OMFG.

[Damashi The Kaotic]

Originally posted by dolby:

well the only thing i have a problem with is that they don't help you in the roll but i think
they are fixing stuff like that in the future.

So i was like hmm lets make a trap so i made the whole ground around the dwarf fire the little ♥♥♥♥♥♥ still gets away i tried acid, electricity nothing works!! the only way to kill it is to do the roll..

Ive seen it die trying to escape in the vines that are near that body.

[oco.hollis]

Originally posted by bullse:

Originally posted by guard65:

Just ware the ring and kill it.

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using "_Ring"
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data "Unique" "1"

Exactly, who in their right minds is going to go all the way to the Underdark and go through the long drawn out dialogue with the Mindflayer in the Myconid Colony and then either successfully obtain the ring for free or buy it THEN return to just outside the Druid's Grove for a low level encounter with a dying dwarf and his two thralls just to squash a worm easily with a MIND SHIELDING RING.....especially if one is a new player having utterly no clue how to get to Underdark, etc.? All that just so you can squish a worm and win the approval of your party members. Got it. NOT. OMFG.

Um me? Though yes you are right a new player would not know.

For my current run I actually did do this. I went straight to the Myconid village and did Omeluum's quest right off the bat. The only surface encounter I did was the Goblin Grove fight so I could run inside and buy a potion of invisibility from Ethel to get past the spiders and jump down to the UD. I was interested in seeing if there were changes in tadpole growth during the initial dialogue with Omeluum between immediately going after getting off the Nautaloid and using the tadpole left and right before going down into the UD.

Nothing in this encounter changes with the ring worn during it. I still had [Illithid]Wisdom options I could use and killing the tadpole required checks as well.

For anyone interested here is the notes... https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=751014#Post751014