Please nerf barrelmancy. That is DoS not 5e.

[[Slayer]]

I am sure D&D did not have barrelmancy powers. Of course you could meta game and move things around, but food, time and stuff actually matter in some D&D campaigns.

[Dorok]

Escrito originalmente por Daxos:

Most people aren't going to metagame with barrels. But I agree they're a bit silly and might warrent a change. If they had to nerf them, just reduce the number of them so you can't exterminate whole camps with it. Encourage clever use, but not abuse.

I tried read many posts before giving up, but this is the point.

It's obvious it's D&D compatible, the abuse is the problem (comment from seeing some video).

[Fistandilus]

Escrito originalmente por dolby:

And to all who say that dnd in Pnp is full of explosions barrels an whatnot. Well, first off they are rules for that and Dm can adapt things on the fly. In game nothing changes it's all the same if you use barrels or not... In fact Ai ignores elemental combat 90% of the time.. there is no dex save vs damage...etc.. and again what do you care if they add toggle in options you can play however you wish.. people against something that doesn't even effect them...amazing

Exactly the point when it comes to barrels. Just don't use them
I haven't a single time in either of my 3 playthrough's

[Auburn2]

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Escrito originalmente por Auburn2:

You could carry far more arrows of detonation in BG1 than you can carry barrells in BG3, they were more powerful and there was no option to turn them off. You could not buy and fire them I guess.

even if that was true and it not... you could spam rest as well whats you point lol if BG 1 was in EA i would still want the same option...

It is true. I think you can buy 60 arrows of detonation from sorcerous sundries alone and then loot more off of at least one dead enemy. In addition to these there were on the order of 20 poitions of explosion and oil of fiery burning spread throughout the game. There are not 100 oil and smoke barrels in BG3.

You were right it was not in EA. These made it into final release, which goers against the argument that they shoudl not be in the final release of BG3.

[wirednight]

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Escrito originalmente por wirednight:

The characters in BG3 are too two dimentional. Hide, drop barrel, sneak away, set ablaze, rinse, repeat.

Yeah if you just want to go and kill everyone murderhobo style I guess this works. But that is hardly the only playstyle the game supports.

True, it does, but why bother with other styles, when murderhobo is just as effective, and lets be honest, all other styles will eventually boil down to combat, and large combats at that, meaning murderhobo isn't a bad style to go with in some sense. Pick a rogue, ranger, wizard, and warlock. You have a face, an arcane int, a nature lover with beasts, and a stealthly back stabby. Load up the rogue with barrels. All play styles covered, including the Face, and you can still murder hobo. At no point with this play style do I need a fighter, paladin, beserker, or do I need a cleric. A druid may not be bad for some form of entangle and can replace the ranger. With that set up you also get familiars to act as psuedo-tanks.

The environment has made heavy armor wearers useless, as well as healers. All you have to do is hide, and explode barrels.

[wirednight]

Escrito originalmente por Dorok:

It's obvious it's D&D compatible, the abuse is the problem (comment from seeing some video).

This comment right here says better then what I was trying to say.

[Fistandilus]

Like seriously people just don't use them / ignore them.
The game isn't balanced around you requiring to use them at all. I haven't used them once in 3 play through's as other's haven't either. How does something someone else does whatever that is do in "their own game" effect your game. It doesn't.

[Auburn2]

Escrito originalmente por wirednight:

Escrito originalmente por Auburn2:

Yeah if you just want to go and kill everyone murderhobo style I guess this works. But that is hardly the only playstyle the game supports.

True, it does, but why bother with other styles, when murderhobo is just as effective, and lets be honest, all other styles will eventually boil down to combat, and large combats at that, meaning murderhobo isn't a bad style to go with in some sense. Pick a rogue, ranger, wizard, and warlock. You have a face, an arcane int, a nature lover with beasts, and a stealthly back stabby. Load up the rogue with barrels. All play styles covered, including the Face, and you can still murder hobo. At no point with this play style do I need a fighter, paladin, beserker, or do I need a cleric. A druid may not be bad for some form of entangle and can replace the ranger. With that set up you also get familiars to act as psuedo-tanks.

The environment has made heavy armor wearers useless, as well as healers. All you have to do is hide, and explode barrels.

Have you ever played 5e?

You don't need a pladin, fighter, berserker or cleric in 5e either and FWIW we usually play without a cleric in my p+p game because none of us like clerics. The idea of the "balanced" party went out the window with version 4. You need a balance of skills and you do in this game too if you don't want to just kill everything, but those are not hard tied to classes like we were in earlier editions.

Moreover, to turn this question around on you - if all you want to do is murderhobo everything, why do you want to play a character with depth?

Oh by the way I have no warrior at all in my current BG3 game (L is in camp) and I am not using barrels all the time.

[Dorok]

Escrito originalmente por Fistandilus:

Like seriously people just don't use them / ignore them.

I disagree, this is lacking of ambition.

Like wrote second post, encourage clever use, but not abuse. Lol.

[wirednight]

Escrito originalmente por Fistandilus:

Like seriously people just don't use them / ignore them.
The game isn't balanced around you requiring to use them at all. I haven't used them once in 3 play through's as other's haven't either. How does something someone else does whatever that is do in "their own game" effect your game. It doesn't.

Actually that's not true. It is balanced around them, you've just figured out how to work around them. But look at the numbers. When there are few to no barrels around, there are few to no enemies to fight. When their is a great number of environmental factors, there are a greater number of mobs to fight.

It absolutely is balanced around the barrels and other environmental features. You've just figured out a way to overcome the balancing factor.

[wirednight]

Escrito originalmente por Auburn2:

Escrito originalmente por wirednight:

True, it does, but why bother with other styles, when murderhobo is just as effective, and lets be honest, all other styles will eventually boil down to combat, and large combats at that, meaning murderhobo isn't a bad style to go with in some sense. Pick a rogue, ranger, wizard, and warlock. You have a face, an arcane int, a nature lover with beasts, and a stealthly back stabby. Load up the rogue with barrels. All play styles covered, including the Face, and you can still murder hobo. At no point with this play style do I need a fighter, paladin, beserker, or do I need a cleric. A druid may not be bad for some form of entangle and can replace the ranger. With that set up you also get familiars to act as psuedo-tanks.

The environment has made heavy armor wearers useless, as well as healers. All you have to do is hide, and explode barrels.

Have you ever played 5e?

You don't need a pladin, fighter, berserker or cleric in 5e either and FWIW we usually play without a cleric in my p+p game because none of like clerics. The idea of the "balanced" party went out the window with version 4. You need a balance of skills and you do in this game too if you don't want to just kill everything, but those are not hard tied to classes like they were.

Yes I have, and that's kind of my point from earlier with appealing to a larger group of players, which is also why BG3 has alienated so many people and why so many people are trashing BG3 and promoting Solace (which I'm not one mind you, but it's here).

You're right a balanced party in 5e isn't necessary, which is why I said earlier that it works in 5e. What I'm saying is past the DnD 5e hard core players, people are going to come in wanting to play their favorite characters... their Dwarf Fighters and their Human Paladins, to which once they get half way into Act 1 are going to realize that their favorite types have been marginalized by 5e rules, and it's better to go MOAR DPS, which runs the risk of alienating a huge potential fan base that didn't get into EA because they were waiting for either release or reviews.

[dolby]

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Escrito originalmente por dolby:

even if that was true and it not... you could spam rest as well whats you point lol if BG 1 was in EA i would still want the same option...

It is true. I think you can buy 60 arrows of detonation from sorcerous sundries alone and then loot more off of at least one dead enemy. In addition to these there were on the order of 20 poitions of explosion and oil of fiery burning spread throughout the game. There are not 80 oil and smoke barrels in BG3.

You were right it was not in EA. These made it into final release, which goers against the argument that they shoudl not be in the final release of BG3.

yes they are and they are free lol i have 300 flammable thing so far...

i know what i'm talking about...And you can make unlimited amounts cos trades restock all the time. One more bright idea of Larian why do you think you have to defend the game for not reason? lol classic die hard fan. Anyway, i'm done with you... This option would have zero effect on you so why are you even here? Go use those 100 barrels if you like them so much and let others do their suggestions in peace...so we can actually improve the game and make it amazing...

Escrito originalmente por Fistandilus:

Like seriously people just don't use them / ignore them.
The game isn't balanced around you requiring to use them at all. I haven't used them once in 3 play through's as other's haven't either. How does something someone else does whatever that is do in "their own game" effect your game. It doesn't.

The game isn't balanced at all Full stop.
It's way to easy with or without barrels.. not the point...
The point is there is no reason to play with spells casters or and with melee when you can just throw elemental things around...and is the most optimal way to play the game right now.
You point don't use it again, not valid... That's like saying don't use save... it's optional.

[wirednight]

Escrito originalmente por dolby:

Escrito originalmente por Auburn2:

It is true. I think you can buy 60 arrows of detonation from sorcerous sundries alone and then loot more off of at least one dead enemy. In addition to these there were on the order of 20 poitions of explosion and oil of fiery burning spread throughout the game. There are not 80 oil and smoke barrels in BG3.

You were right it was not in EA. These made it into final release, which goers against the argument that they shoudl not be in the final release of BG3.

yes they are and they are free lol i have 300 flammable thing so far...

i know what i'm talking about...And you can make unlimited amounts cos trades restock all the time. One more bright idea of Larian why do you think you have to defend the game for not reason? lol classic die hard fan. Anyway, i'm done with you... This option would have zero effect on you so why are you even here? Go use those 100 barrels if you like them so much and let others do their suggestions in peace...so we can actually improve the game and make it amazing...

That's not what Auburn is arguing to be fair. He's arguing that it is based on 5e rulesets, which is absolutly true. I may not agree with everything he's saying, but he's not saying we should be able to abuse the system either. He's just a 5e purist in my opinion.

[Simbolic]

Think this game starts out in normal mode. DO2 started out with one difficulty as well. Then later added more to better suit the ppls. So with that said you may not want it nerfed. If they decide to do the same with this game.

[Auburn2]

Escrito originalmente por wirednight:

Escrito originalmente por Auburn2:

Have you ever played 5e?

You don't need a pladin, fighter, berserker or cleric in 5e either and FWIW we usually play without a cleric in my p+p game because none of like clerics. The idea of the "balanced" party went out the window with version 4. You need a balance of skills and you do in this game too if you don't want to just kill everything, but those are not hard tied to classes like they were.

Yes I have, and that's kind of my point from earlier with appealing to a larger group of players, which is also why BG3 has alienated so many people and why so many people are trashing BG3 and promoting Solace (which I'm not one mind you, but it's here).

You're right a balanced party in 5e isn't necessary, which is why I said earlier that it works in 5e. What I'm saying is past the DnD 5e hard core players, people are going to come in wanting to play their favorite characters... their Dwarf Fighters and their Human Paladins, to which once they get half way into Act 1 are going to realize that their favorite types have been marginalized by 5e rules, and it's better to go MOAR DPS, which runs the risk of alienating a huge potential fan base that didn't get into EA because they were waiting for either release or reviews.

This is a 5e game. If your position is 5e marginalizes classes I would say you are right, but 5e is the most popular edition and this game is selling far, far better than any d&d CRPG in history right now.

So while I understand your logic I do not think that the available evidence supports your conclusion.

[dolby]

Escrito originalmente por wirednight:

That's not what Auburn is arguing to be fair. He's arguing that it is based on 5e rulesets, which is absolutly true. I may not agree with everything he's saying, but he's not saying we should be able to abuse the system either. He's just a 5e purist in my opinion.

wtf are you talking about it's based on DoS 2 there is zero dex save for half damage weight limit is broken and there are 100 reason why it nothing like Dnd at all part in concept..