Wood Elves are OP and half-elves are nerfed

[Auburn2]

Wood elves get a free proficiency in stealth in addition to perception and increased speed. The stealth proficiency is far more benificial than the mask of the wild as originally written and needs to be redone.

Half-elves other than the wood elf variety are nerfed losing their core feature of two extra skills. Wood half-elves get the movement and mask of the wild, so I would say they are balanced with other races (except pure wood elves). But it is disapointing that a standard 5e half-elf is not avialable.

[Greed]

Yeah it is a little weird how they went with Wood Elves being the ones with most proficiencies instead of the half elves.But I wouldn't worry about it too much if i were you since the classes themselves are not really finished either(the rogue+most of subclasses).They either wanted a contender for the half elves in power(and they chose wood elves for some rason) or the races are not fully implemented yet(which I think is more likely).So don't expect much balance just yet.

[teksuo]

my wood elf had ALL the proficiencies available checked in the creation screen. felt like cheating ;)

every available check square was already checked

[djinnxy]

The only problem I have with wood elves is mine can't get a hand crossbow till the underdark and when I use two of them it corrupts my saves. If they must nerf it to make it in line with 5e then they should probably just make it a straight 5e game.

[robomagon]

Half-wood elves get everything except perception and weapon profs. They also get to pick which ability scores they want to increase. Wood elves are only better if you're making a non-heavy armor cleric.

[Random Hero]

Half-elves get +2 charisma. So there is no point to compare them to elves. Only to tieflings.

[robomagon]

引用自 Random Hero：

Half-elves get +2 charisma. So there is no point to compare them to elves. Only to tieflings.

They also gat 2 points to spend anywhere, so they can be whatever they want.

[cire87]

Drow are only interesting Elves

[Locklave]

引用自 robomagon：

Half-wood elves get everything except perception and weapon profs. They also get to pick which ability scores they want to increase. Wood elves are only better if you're making a non-heavy armor cleric.

This is correct.

[Auburn2]

引用自 robomagon：

Half-wood elves get everything except perception and weapon profs. They also get to pick which ability scores they want to increase. Wood elves are only better if you're making a non-heavy armor cleric.

The +2 in Dex will make them better Rogues, Rangers and Fighters than wood half elves. As far as Clerics go, the +1 in Wisdom make them good clerics in any case and and the +2 in Dex and free stealth proficiency would steer me away from making them a heavy-armored cleric. Wood elves are a good choice for any cleric, and better than any other race IMO. But I would argue the gap between them and others is bigger on a light-armored cleric than a heavy armor one.

Perception is a big deal. That is one more skill regardless of class. The extra weapons are significant unless you are a fighter or ranger (which are two of the classes where the +2 is significant). Perception and weapons is generally going to be better than an extra +1 in a prime stat.

I think wood elves are better than any half elves at any class except warlock IMO. Warlock would benefit from the +2 Charisma and on a half wood elf that would probably outweigh the weapons and perception. Other classes though are going to generally be better with the wood elf even if they give up +1 in their main stat IMO.

To be clear I think the wood half elf is a balanced race. It is the other half elves that are weak and the straight wood elf that is OP.

[Auburn2]

引用自 robomagon：

引用自 Random Hero：

Half-elves get +2 charisma. So there is no point to compare them to elves. Only to tieflings.

They also gat 2 points to spend anywhere, so they can be whatever they want.

Any race can be whatever they want. I do think half wood elves are on par with other races in general. The other half elves are weak.

[asdf]

引用自 Auburn2：

引用自 robomagon：

Half-wood elves get everything except perception and weapon profs. They also get to pick which ability scores they want to increase. Wood elves are only better if you're making a non-heavy armor cleric.

The +2 in Dex will make them undeniably more powerful Rogues, Rangers and Fighters than half elves.

Perception is a big deal. That is one more skill regardless of class. The extra weapons are significant unless you are a fighter or ranger (which are two of the classes where the +2 is significant). Perception and weapons is generally going to be better than an extra +1 in a prime stat.

I think wood elves are better than any half elves at any class except warlock IMO. Warlock would benefit from the +2 Charisma and that would probably outweigh the weapons and perception. Other classes though are going to generally be better with the wood elf even if they give up +1 in their main stat IMO.

Half elves can get +1 DEX too (and another +1 in another stat of choice), and there isn't much practical difference between +2 DEX and +1 DEX (other than just saving stat points, but that's made up for by the other +1 point half elf gets) since there isn't really any advantage to 17 DEX over 16 DEX. The half elf can put the other +1 in CON which everyone wants which allows them to have 16 CON instead of 14 CON from the wood elf for instance.

[Elysion]

It comes down to perception vs 16 instead of 14 con
honestly perception is probably the more valuable.

[robomagon]

引用自 Elysion：

It comes down to perception vs 16 instead of 14 con
honestly perception is probably the more valuable.

You can get perception from a background, too.

[Auburn2]

引用自 asdf：

引用自 Auburn2：

Half elves can get +1 DEX too (and another +1 in another stat of choice), and there isn't much practical difference between +2 DEX and +1 DEX (other than just saving stat points, but that's made up for by the other +1 point half elf gets) since there isn't really any advantage to 17 DEX over 16 DEX. The half elf can put the other +1 in CON which everyone wants which allows them to have 16 CON instead of 14 CON from the wood elf for instance.

There is a huge difference because of the point cost to get to 16. +2 gives you a 16 dex by only spending 7 points instead of 9. This gives you back points to spend on a stat of your choice in character creation. The wood elf can put the two points the half-elf is spending on dex back in other abilities. The 16-Dex wood elf will have more points to spend on other abilities and equal or higher ability scores overall than the 16-Dex half elf unless you also want a Charisma higher than 13.

You are right that you can get 16s in two random stats with a half elf, but you waste a lot of points to do it and you will have lower ability scores overall than most characters. I have personally never played any point-buy character with a 16 constitution and the only characters I have played with a 14 constitution are dwarves (in both 5e and BG3). There are no skills associated with Constitution so I generally shy away from it.

[Auburn2]

引用自 robomagon：

引用自 Elysion：

It comes down to perception vs 16 instead of 14 con
honestly perception is probably the more valuable.

You can get perception from a background, too.

Yes or you can get another skill from background because you don't need to get perception. It is not that it is perception per say, it is that it is two good skills, high movement rate, weapons and charm/sleep resistance. If they made mask of the wild like it is in 5e instead of a proficiency they would be more balanced and down to earth.

My wood elf ranger has 9 skills they are proficient in.