calm down with the elves.

[rad_knight]

i like this game and it's character creator, but chill with elves will you?
githyanki(not even gonna try to spell that right, i'm sorry), drow, elf, and half elf are all seperate races, and i'm not a lore expert but from just looking at them githyank and drow could've just been elf sub races.

[Nauzhror]

Was that supposed to be English, or were you writing in your best facsimile of the drow language?

[Selene♥]

i personally love elves. i always play a female elf.

[rad_knight]

Originally posted by Hex:

Originally posted by rad_knight:

i like this game and it's character creator, but chill with elves will you?
githyanki(not even gonna try to spell that right, i'm sorry), drow, elf, and half elf are all seperate races, and i'm not a lore expert but from just looking at them githyank and drow could've just been elf sub races.

There used to be way, way more Elven sub-races but WOTC realized it was getting ridiculous.

Gith aren't even form the same plane of existence, and Drow have been living in the Underdark for so long that they can't really be lumped in with surface Elves anymore, not like Wood-Elves who are just Elves who turned away from civilization to get away from the war between High Elves and Drow.

yes i have been told of the githyanki thing many times, my point was that they looked like elves.

[DeathStroke]

seems pretty obvious why they seperated the drow , so they could then have sub-races of drow , that being lolth and shar worshipers...

[Gaan Cathal]

Originally posted by wendigo211:

I'm kind of surprised we don't have Moon Elves, since they're supposed to be the most common elves on Faerun. I suppose Sun, Wood and Drow are good enough.

We do. Moon and Sun Elves are both High Elf ethnicities/cultures. You just make a High Elf and give them the bluey/purpley Moon Elf skintones.

[BaneBlackGuard]

the Githyanki in this game are nothing like I remember them from Fiend Folio. this seems more like the half orc chick from the Warcraft movie.

Githyanki are evil murderous trans-planar followers of a lich queen who are almost as likely to murder humans as they are mind flayers. they are scary looking almost corpse like monsters that should fill you with dread. I was pretty disappointed when the game presents her as a Githyanki, i was like "say whaaaaaaaaaat ?"

[Hex]

Originally posted by BaneBlackGuard:

the Githyanki in this game are nothing like I remember them from Fiend Folio. this seems more like the half orc chick from the Warcraft movie.

Githyanki are evil murderous trans-planar followers of a lich queen who are almost as likely to murder humans as they are mind flayers. they are scary looking almost corpse like monsters that should fill you with dread. I was pretty disappointed when the game presents her as a Githyanki, i was like "say whaaaaaaaaaat ?"

They look pretty much the same as they did in NWN 2. Also, she was about to murder you on sight before the tadpole took over.

[Lokiel]

Originally posted by BaneBlackGuard:

the Githyanki in this game are nothing like I remember them from Fiend Folio. this seems more like the half orc chick from the Warcraft movie.

Githyanki are evil murderous trans-planar followers of a lich queen who are almost as likely to murder humans as they are mind flayers. they are scary looking almost corpse like monsters that should fill you with dread. I was pretty disappointed when the game presents her as a Githyanki, i was like "say whaaaaaaaaaat ?"

My understanding (I've never even touched 5E) is that D&D downplayed a lot of its "Good VS Evil" in the last edition. Alignement are a thing of the past (they stay in the game but more as an artefact of ages long gone since they don't have any mechanical impact) and the cruelty of a ton of races has been toned down. Maybe it explains the change in behaviour?

As to why the game has a whole drow race instead of making it a subrace of the elves, I think it's because if drows were a subrace we wouldn't have the choice between the Lloth-Sworn and the Seldarine drows. And since the game seems to have a big part in the Underdark, I suspect it will be an important distinction in the scenario sooner or later.

[Lokiel]

Originally posted by FoE Rosa:

what even is this thread?

Pure unadultered raw sexyness.

[teksuo]

"EvErYtHiNg WiTh PoInTy EaRs is An ElF"

[злой трамвайчик]

Originally posted by robomagon:

Drow are an elf subrace in 5E. No idea why they have a separate listing in race selection.

I think because the playthrough is so different. Drows look to be in the plot (If they are not in one -they will make one... those bastards are always plotting something)

[Lokiel]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Lokiel:

My understanding (I've never even touched 5E) is that D&D downplayed a lot of its "Good VS Evil" in the last edition. Alignement are a thing of the past (they stay in the game but more as an artefact of ages long gone since they don't have any mechanical impact) and the cruelty of a ton of races has been toned down. Maybe it explains the change in behaviour?

As to why the game has a whole drow race instead of making it a subrace of the elves, I think it's because if drows were a subrace we wouldn't have the choice between the Lloth-Sworn and the Seldarine drows. And since the game seems to have a big part in the Underdark, I suspect it will be an important distinction in the scenario sooner or later.

Both Lolth and Eilistraee are selectable deities for Clerics. So picking a Lolth-Sworn Drow is kind of redundant. You could just as easily have included two racial dialogue options. One speaking in support of Lolth, and the other speaking in defiance against her, to denote which side of the pantheon your character supports.

I don't think they've toned down the cruelty factor of the races. They just implemented the idea that the races are not inherently predisposed to doing it. They've become victims of circumstances, and have the capacity to be better people, if properly motivated to do so.

But none of that matters to the Githyanki and Lolth-Sworn Drow. The Githyanki are not a race, they are a culture. If you are a Githyanki, you are loyal to Vlaakith, and worship her as both your goddess and your queen. If you are Lolth-Sworn, then you were raised by the cult of the spider queen.

There are no good Githyanki, because they would contradict what it means to be a Githyanki in the first place. There are no good Lolth-Sworn Drow, because they would have been immediately killed by their fellow Drow for displaying weakness and compassion.


If a Githyanki turned good, they would probably be reclassified as a Githzerai, who hang out in Limbo and devote themselves to a life of peaceful meditation and spiritual refinement. If a Drow turned good, they would probably enter into self imposed exile, and flee to the surface world as quickly as possible.

Actually, I disagree with you on the fact that Githianky are just a culture. If memory serves, they STARTED as a culture but the two races of Githianky and Githzerai diverged so much that they now have very real physical differences. (Remember that the Gith rebellion has been millenia ago, that time flows differently in the Planes and that the magical nature of the planes can morph a specie rather quickly). It's actually a lot like the Sun Elves and Moon Elves: sure, they USED to be the same specie but nowadays you can't just hoppity hop between the two. As such a Githianki in rebellion against Vlaakith is totally in the realm of the possible. However I do agree that if Githzerai were in the game, they should be a subrace of the Gith with the githianki.

As for the fact that since you can have a cleric of Lolth and a cleric of Eillistrae and as such wouldn't need a subrace, what of players who would want to play a drow mage but serve Eillistrae? It seems to me it is too early to judge what they want to make of this, so let's wait and see.

[Saint]

Originally posted by FoE Rosa:

what even is this thread?

A nerd off typical of literally everything even remotely involving DnD.

[Speedy Gonzalles]

Githyanki were actually originally humans that got mega-mind melted by Mindflayers.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Speedy Gonzalles:

Githyanki were actually originally humans that got mega-mind melted by Mindflayers.

Allegedly. They might as well have not been, it's just the prevalent theory.