Gale becoming a god - Good or Bad ending?

[Archnemesis]

So, I'm curious on everyone's take on this, would ascending Gale to godhood be a bad ending? Obviously the one where he challenges Mystra is the very bad one for him, but not necessarily from Wither's perspective. That said, the choices he makes where he will live in co-existence with Mystra, is him being a deity or chosen of Mystra, a bad ending for him?

I know some have said his familiar complains about him ascending that he is different, but what is everyone's take on this. Do you play him as a benevolent or malevolent deity in your play through as playing as him or your tav/dark urge.

[Mike Garrison]

It all depends on how you read Gale.

Do you think he is arrogant? Ambitious? Power-hungry? Full of hubris? Do you think he loved Mystra or that he loved her divinity and her connection to magic? Do you think he was humbled by the orb and the tadpole and being "reset" back to level 1, or do you think he just saw it as a hurdle to overcome on his path to power and knowledge and divinity?

If he is romancing someone, do you think that has changed his outlook on life or do you think that he's still focused on his prior ambitions?

Minthara is quite correct that it is very much like wizards to never accept that they have limitations, and therefore ultimately disastrously exceed them.

I would suggest not trying to label the choices as "good" or "bad", but to decide what you think your Gale really desires most and what he is willing to give up to get it.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Archnemesis:

Gale becoming a god - Good or Bad ending?
So, I'm curious on everyone's take on this, would ascending Gale to godhood be a bad ending? Obviously the one where he challenges Mystra is the very bad one for him, but not necessarily from Wither's perspective. That said, the choices he makes where he will live in co-existence with Mystra, is him being a deity or chosen of Mystra, a bad ending for him?

I know some have said his familiar complains about him ascending that he is different, but what is everyone's take on this. Do you play him as a benevolent or malevolent deity in your play through as playing as him or your tav/dark urge.

Depends how you see godhood. Personally I think it is a win, him becoming the god of narcisists.

[Yextiny]

I think Gale is demonstrably not wise or cunning enough to responsibly wield godhood - not to say anyone else is doing a great job either, though, since Shar, Mystra, and others all seem to be shortsighted, spiteful, and cruel. I would argue it's a potentially very bad ending for anyone under his power, but maybe not for him personally.

[Banelord]

If he did manage to overthrow Mystera, now that would be a good ending. But she seems to have a plot armor stronger than the Weave itself.

[Orion Invictus]

Mortals should not become gods. We all know what happened when Jergal tried that.

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by Yextiny:

I think Gale is demonstrably not wise or cunning enough to responsibly wield godhood - not to say anyone else is doing a great job either, though, since Shar, Mystra, and others all seem to be shortsighted, spiteful, and cruel. I would argue it's a potentially very bad ending for anyone under his power, but maybe not for him personally.

Gods in the Forgotten Realms don't always have it all that great. They have been killed. Replaced. Pushed aside. Forgotten.

Mystra herself is a replacement for another goddess named Mystra, who was a replacement for a goddess named Mystryl. Mystryl was destroyed saving magic from Karsus. The first Mystra was destroyed for defying the will of the overgod Ao. The current Mystra was originally a Chosen of the previous Mystra.

(Some of that is, I think, the way that the Forgotten Realms handled the different editions of D&D.)

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Mortals should not become gods. We all know what happened when Jergal tried that.

You mean when Jergal decided to allow the mortals Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul to become gods?

[Banelord]

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Mortals should not become gods. We all know what happened when Jergal tried that.

You mean when Jergal decided to allow the mortals Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul to become gods?

Good times!

EDIT: he did not "allow" sheiet. We grabbed it from him by force.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Banelord:

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

You mean when Jergal decided to allow the mortals Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul to become gods?

Good times!

EDIT: he did not "allow" sheiet. We grabbed it from him by force.

Nah ~ he allowed them. Jergal could not have been overpowered by... them

[Banelord]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by Banelord:

Good times!

EDIT: he did not "allow" sheiet. We grabbed it from him by force.

Nah ~ he allowed them. Jergal could not have been overpowered by... them

Jergal was a tired old man, a relic of a time long gone, that power he held was slipping through his fingers like sand, and when Bane came to him, he knew his day of doom had come. Still butthurt for it to this day though, while Bane still enjoys his greater deity status in Banehold.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Originally posted by Banelord:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Nah ~ he allowed them. Jergal could not have been overpowered by... them

Jergal was a tired old man, a relic of a time long gone, that power he held was slipping through his fingers like sand, and when Bane came to him, he knew his day of doom had come. Still butthurt for it to this day though, while Bane still enjoys his greater deity status in Banehold.

It's an open question whether the Dead Three could have actually beat Jergal. Certainly Bane alone couldn't have managed but it's possible all three might have. But the question is moot, as Jergal quietly retired without fighting. Far from "butthurt" he's quite content with his preferred role as seneschal to Myrkul and even more so Kelemvor.
And given what's happened to all of the Dead Three since he may have been wise; all three died (Midnight killed Myrkul, Cyric murdered Bhaal with a degree of irony and Bane was killed in battle with Torm the True) and while all three clawed their way back to life it has not gone well since then; all three, including Bane, are now mere Quasi-deities, hence the desperate and foolhardy Absolute plan.

[GriffinPilgrim]

It's a matter of opinion but generally I'd say bad ending. Gale has something of an addictive and self destructive relationship with power, becoming a god is not going to improve that. Cruelty to cats being an example.

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

Gale has something of an addictive and self destructive relationship with power

Typical wizard.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

Gale has something of an addictive and self destructive relationship with power

Typical wizard.

Eh, yes and no. Certainly plenty like that but there's also plenty of amiable, bookish types who are pretty happy with their own esoteric studies.

[Majora]

I consider it Gale's bad ending, because I consider Gale to be an arrogant idiot. If the Mystra affair didn't teach him anything about power, the bomb in his chest should have.
Gale apparently agreed with me.