Is it beastiality to romance a race that is not your own?

[sick duck]

Like Astorian for example is an elf that became a vampire, and can be romanced by a human, and I guess Astorian can turn himself into a bat or somthing because vampire?. It is a frequent trope that vampires can change themselves into bats.

[momopovich]

Romance Halsin and reconsider labelling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Astarion as "bestiality"

[Fliqpy]

Maybe with Dragonborn but probably not. They aren't related to the other humanoids but they aren't necessarily dragons either if I remember correctly so I'm not completely sure. They ARE humanoid though so maybe not. It gets way more questionable if you're having relations with a Druid in animal form though. Also I don't remember Astarion ever being able to turn into a bat. He's not a full vampire anyway, assuming vampires in DnD are capable of that.
Also how tf would you have sex with a bat? Does that even happen in the game?

[Dis Lexic]

No. Beastiality is a problem because animals cant consent. So long as the race in question is intelligent and can give informed consent, theres no reason for it to be a problem. That goes for Druids in Wildshape as well because there is an intelligent, sentient mind in there.

[NightingaleMuse]

Technically Astarion would be necrophilia on account of undeath. He can develop the ability to turn into a bat much much further in the game, but that's more like a wildshape or polymorph kind of thing.

Applying real world morality and laws to fantasy and sci-fi doesn't work quite the same as it can be argued as something due to a conflict in culture (i.e. age of consent varies in different countries usually due to differing cultural norms). In most moral cases, the agreed upon basis for safe consensual sex is willingly consenting participants with no power dynamics to pressure via some form of threat, blackmail or bribery. Often times, willingness requires some form of communication that makes it clear that both are on the same page and not just one side getting tricked or forced into sex.

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Originally posted by Dis Lexic:

No. Beastiality is a problem because animals cant consent. So long as the race in question is intelligent and can give informed consent, theres no reason for it to be a problem. That goes for Druids in Wildshape as well because there is an intelligent, sentient mind in there.

The counter argument to that line of reasoning is that if you as a female "presented" yourself to a male animal it is hard to say there is not consent there (not that I endorse anything of the sort)

[Mick Savage]

Originally posted by Dis Lexic:

No. Beastiality is a problem because animals cant consent. So long as the race in question is intelligent and can give informed consent, theres no reason for it to be a problem. That goes for Druids in Wildshape as well because there is an intelligent, sentient mind in there.

Which would have been fine if Larian had been upfront with gamers about the contents of this video game. I'm betting they didn't because they knew it would hurt sales.

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Oh and for historical reference:
♥♥♥♥ Sapiens 100% got it on with other races eg the Neanderthals and Denisovans

[momopovich]

Originally posted by Mick Salvage:

Which would have been fine if Larian had been upfront with gamers about the contents of this video game. I'm betting they didn't because they knew it would hurt sales.

Thats utter nonsense, BG3 has always been notorious for having bear sex and that's actually one of its main selling points

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by Mick Salvage:

Originally posted by Dis Lexic:

No. Beastiality is a problem because animals cant consent. So long as the race in question is intelligent and can give informed consent, theres no reason for it to be a problem. That goes for Druids in Wildshape as well because there is an intelligent, sentient mind in there.

Which would have been fine if Larian had been upfront with gamers about the contents of this video game. I'm betting they didn't because they knew it would hurt sales.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYD5HHKmVT8
From almost 4 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=racq1ZEcXbI
From almost 2 years ago.

So as you can see, Larian never tried to hide anything in the first place. In fact, they got a BOOST in sales when the latter was shown after the crowd made them pick the options.

But you know that at this point, so I don't get why you insist on claiming otherwise.

[momopovich]

Originally posted by Lord Deplorable:

But you know that at this point, so I don't get why you insist on claiming otherwise.

That user named "Mick Salvage" is a dedicated troll ready to spin around the same nonsensical narratives for hours on steam forums. Check his post history

[OntologicalWeevil]

inter-species

[Dis Lexic]

Originally posted by Drake Ravenwolf:

Originally posted by Dis Lexic:

No. Beastiality is a problem because animals cant consent. So long as the race in question is intelligent and can give informed consent, theres no reason for it to be a problem. That goes for Druids in Wildshape as well because there is an intelligent, sentient mind in there.

The counter argument to that line of reasoning is that if you as a female "presented" yourself to a male animal it is hard to say there is not consent there (not that I endorse anything of the sort)

Thats...not how that works. By that logic, you can say that a child (as in, under the age of 12) coerced by an adult consented, but I dont think that anyone here would suggest that thats in any way a thing. Also, the important bit in their is the 'informed' part of it.

[Dis Lexic]

Also

Originally posted by Drake Ravenwolf:

Oh and for historical reference:
♥♥♥♥ Sapiens 100% got it on with other races eg the Neanderthals and Denisovans

Love that Steam censored a scientific term.

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Originally posted by Dis Lexic:

Originally posted by Drake Ravenwolf:

The counter argument to that line of reasoning is that if you as a female "presented" yourself to a male animal it is hard to say there is not consent there (not that I endorse anything of the sort)

Thats...not how that works. By that logic, you can say that a child (as in, under the age of 12) coerced by an adult consented, but I dont think that anyone here would suggest that thats in any way a thing. Also, the important bit in their is the 'informed' part of it.

If the woman just lays there and does nothing else while the animal takes all the actions, how is that coercion?

[Dis Lexic]

Originally posted by Drake Ravenwolf:

Originally posted by Dis Lexic:

Thats...not how that works. By that logic, you can say that a child (as in, under the age of 12) coerced by an adult consented, but I dont think that anyone here would suggest that thats in any way a thing. Also, the important bit in their is the 'informed' part of it.

If the woman just lays there and does nothing else while the animal takes all the actions, how is that coercion?

ANd you've missed the point again. That was a comparison. I have no doubt that you could possibly get a situation like that, but it would still be bestiality and wrong because of the aspect of *INFORMED* consent