Rafael deal to save Orpheus

[Alex6D12HD]

What results I need to expect if you deal with Rafael, and use hammer to save Orpheus?
Or better just kicked Rafael ass?

[Orion Invictus]

If you're concerned about making a deal with a Devil, then maybe you shouldn't do it.

[Mander]

Originally posted by Alex6D12HD:

What results I need to expect if you deal with Rafael, and use hammer to save Orpheus?
Or better just kicked Rafael ass?

I'm afraid no choices can be suggested that will please you. They are all spoiler heavy (and therefore your role play and your joy of discovery will go out of the window).
What can you expect? A deal with a devil. And as Wyll explained to us early in the adventure, mortals ALWAYS draw the shortest straw, when dealing with powers from Avernus.
Sure, Raphael in this case is the Devil you know…
But do you want to be beholden to someone like him?

[Boss]

You have more power on your side in the final stretch of the game.

Cheezing aside, Rafael is probably the toughest fight in the game tho, I estimate.

[Sonrangeri]

Rafael is killable, but you need prepare battlefield carefully. On boss room where you face him, you can setup bombs and such to all pillars before even starting fight. Split your party, with fire-based ability to all positions if possible, and as soon as fight start, your goal is killing all towers in that room asap. You do get bonus healer in party too, and you can turn his "friend" against him with persuasion.

[Яeplicant]

Originally posted by Sonrangeri:

Rafael is killable, but you need prepare battlefield carefully. On boss room where you face him, you can setup bombs and such to all pillars before even starting fight. Split your party, with fire-based ability to all positions if possible, and as soon as fight start, your goal is killing all towers in that room asap. You do get bonus healer in party too, and you can turn his "friend" against him with persuasion.

You really don't need any prep work for that encounter, if you're having a decent to good enough team setup or are more or less steamrolling through Act 3 in general. Yurgir, however, could be a problem, if you need to persuade him to switch sides.

[Jaeger Pilot]

Originally posted by Boss:

You have more power on your side in the final stretch of the game.

Cheezing aside, Rafael is probably the toughest fight in the game tho, I estimate.

Can you avoid this fight by siding with him?

[Millstone85]

I never take Raphael's deal because looting his house is just too satisfying. I should force myself toward a different ending next time.

Originally posted by Sonrangeri:

Rafael is killable, but you need prepare battlefield carefully. On boss room where you face him, you can setup bombs and such to all pillars before even starting fight. Split your party, with fire-based ability to all positions if possible, and as soon as fight start, your goal is killing all towers in that room asap. You do get bonus healer in party too, and you can turn his "friend" against him with persuasion.

I just did that and I think I might have gone overkill. Four barrels per pillar left most the arena on fire, which Raphael soon turned into hellfire but I won anyway.

[Piperbird]

Originally posted by Millstone85:

I never take Raphael's deal because looting his house is just too satisfying. I should force myself toward a different ending next time.

Originally posted by Sonrangeri:

Rafael is killable, but you need prepare battlefield carefully. On boss room where you face him, you can setup bombs and such to all pillars before even starting fight. Split your party, with fire-based ability to all positions if possible, and as soon as fight start, your goal is killing all towers in that room asap. You do get bonus healer in party too, and you can turn his "friend" against him with persuasion.

I just did that and I think I might have gone overkill. Four barrels per pillar left most the arena on fire, which Raphael soon turned into hellfire but I won anyway.

One per pillar is enough, and then I put a couple more between the pillars so they would chain react and I only needed one action to set them all off.

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Jaeger Pilot:

Can you avoid this fight by siding with him?

In short, yes, but you still have the option to fight him.

[MystShade]

Raphael's deal is mostly for people going with laezel's a origin, active companion or romance interest since it impacts her the most. there is nothing stoping you from taking the deal without her but it is first and foremost laezel's arc.

the hammer itself is an extra option on your belt for when the big decision must be made.
but like people said, do you really want to deal with the devil? if the answer is yes, make sure you go prepared!

[Mander]

Originally posted by MystShade:

Raphael's deal is mostly for people going with laezel's a origin, active companion or romance interest since it impacts her the most. there is nothing stoping you from taking the deal without her but it is first and foremost laezel's arc.

the hammer itself is an extra option on your belt for when the big decision must be made.
but like people said, do you really want to deal with the devil? if the answer is yes, make sure you go prepared!

My brother in Faerun, it's almost the opposite: she even admits she admires you if you refuse the deal!

[Millstone85]

Originally posted by Piperbird:

One per pillar is enough, and then I put a couple more between the pillars so they would chain react and I only needed one action to set them all off.

Thank you for the advice. :-)

Originally posted by Mander:

My brother in Faerun, it's almost the opposite: she even admits she admires you if you refuse the deal!

Yup, she berates herself for falling to the lure of the easy path.

[belgix]

Originally posted by Яeplicant:

You really don't need any prep work for that encounter, if you're having a decent to good enough team setup or are more or less steamrolling through Act 3 in general. Yurgir, however, could be a problem, if you need to persuade him to switch sides.

Good prep work could make this battle one of the hardest of the game to the easiest battle in the game, nothing harder than killing a pack of goblins. After the first round, all the pillars was gone and half of his minions was dead. I got Yurgir on my side, no check, even easier.

[Steffan]

Originally posted by Boss:

Cheezing aside, Rafael is probably the toughest fight in the game tho, I estimate.

It depends on your tactics and party composition. He has a critical weakness in at least one aspect and that one can be his doom.

However, I think it is one of the most epic fights in the game.

Originally posted by Яeplicant:

You really don't need any prep work for that encounter, if you're having a decent to good enough team setup...

I can confirm that. I can't remember using barrelmancy in any of the fights. Of course, basic prebuffs such as heroes feast, aid at at least 5th level, freedom of movement and death ward on a critical character are useful. Potion of battlemage power and the proper equipment help, too.

[belgix]

Originally posted by steffan8:

I can confirm that. I can't remember using barrelmancy in any of the fights. Of course, basic prebuffs such as heroes feast, aid at at least 5th level, freedom of movement and death ward on a critical character are useful. Potion of battlemage power and the proper equipment help, too.

True, I even saw a guy doing it in solo run no explosive. It's doable.

I did it with explosive because I'm so 😈 😈 😈 and it's big fun to see the place blowing up.