Romance Jaheira

[Laelithra]

First of all: I'm fully aware that there are already existing discussions about this topic, but I just have to do a new one, for I really want this to get the attention it needs and deserves. This could contain potential small spoilers, so if you haven't finished the game once, please return here later! I'm also a non native English speaking person, so please don't come up with any grammar stuff. I really try my best, because this means a lot to me!!

Let's start...

When people argue against the idea of Jaheira beeing a romance option they often come up with either her age, her long dead husband Khalid or the fact, that she's having all those children in her home. I've been thinking about those arguments for quite a while now and decided to write down my thoughts about them.

Children
When you finish off your Tav run with a strong connection to her, you can literally ask to join her on the adventure she told you about earlier in the conversation. She mentions it because the past six months where she's been at home were far too boring for her. This woman is not one who sits down and does nothing but rest for so long. Especially since her adoptive children don't want her to watch them all the time either. They are so used to their mother figure beeing gone & saving the world, that they can barely handle her beeing around them all the time.
Which is somewhat sad, but it makes a lot of sense and only adds to her desire to leave for a little while and start a new adventure. After all she's been a Harper for all her life. This woman has the word adventure written down on her heart.

Khalid
There is no doubt that she still loves Khalid, even after all those many years which is as desirable as sad, because their love was deep and genuine and pure. But (!!) even in BG2 Jaheira said, that Khalid would have want her to be happy and in love again and everybody who knows kind hearted Khalid would confirm that this indeed is true. She was ready to move on in BG2, she continued to move on in BG3 with her home and children. There still is the hidden grove, but she said herself that she hasn't been in there for quite a while. I mean... come on. There have been around 124 years that have passed ever since, which leads me to the next topic:

Age
Age shouldn't be a topic in a world like Faerûn at all. There are so many different breeds who age completely different. For example: Jaheira might be an elder as a half-elf of 150 years, but full blood elves like Halsin or Astarion are way older (>200 to 350y/o) and still look much younger.
So just because they are bacisally younger in their breed is an argument to not date Jaheira? Have you ever listend to that woman? She might be an elder, but she's full of fight and life and spirit after all. You call her old and she just laughs it off and calls you a B*stard. Externally she might have aged, but internally this woman's still full of fire.

Well and since Baldurs Gate 2 and Baldurs Gate 3 aren't connectable the romance any player shared with Jaheira during the second game got lost in between the 124 years that have passed ever since the ending of BG2. Maybe that's why she bought a house in Baldurs Gate and tried to live a mothers life? Who knows...

All I know for sure is that Jaheira deserves to experience true love again, that she deserves to be the chosen one out of all the others, that she deserves to be seen and appreciated for the woman she is and not just her skills during battle. So please, Larian Studios, let us romance Jaheira like you promised, when you said that ALL companions would be romancable! Our warrior queen deserves some true, lasting love in the end!!!!

PS: All of those people who have played BG1 and BG2 are now grown ups or maybe even elders themselves, which is just one of the reasons why you can create older looking characters. Basically all those players have aged with her just as well as the love for this incredible character.

[Nature's servant awaits & so do we!!]

[wtiger27]

You can't do it in the game. Might be mods for it. I don't use mods and simply understand what I can do and can't in the game. That is not going to officially change at this point I don't think.

Since it is not possible, nothing to discuss really. I guess one can debate why you can't or should. But that is not going to change anything.

[God Queen 158]

Download the kisses mod. Then you can smooch on her any time.

[AsianGirlLover]

Originally posted by God Queen 158:

Download the kisses mod. Then you can smooch on her any time.

Based and GILF-kisser pilled.

[Laelithra]

Originally posted by God Queen 158:

Download the kisses mod. Then you can smooch on her any time.

Haven't played with any mods yet, but it wouldn't be the same anways. Like I said in my text already, it's not just about those tiny interactions like kissing for example. Romance and especially love is a lot more than those bare physical activities which do in fact seem quite odd forced out of nowhere by a mod.

Still: Thanks for sharing this opportunitiy!

[seeker1]

Well, you can make Jaheira kiss you with that mod, but you still won't get a romance ending. The existing Toolkit can't edit romances or make new romanceables, but I think "Moonglasses" can, so we'll see what happens in the future.

[God Queen 158]

I don't think Larian will add new content. But her voice actress on twitter seems to be very receptive to people wishing her character was romanceable. Pretty fun to see.

There's also a mod "Transform into companions and NPCs - Ring of Metamorph" where you can change companion appearances to other party members. Doesn't change voices, but you can swap appearances for romance scenes.

[Laelithra]

Originally posted by seeker1:

Well, you can make Jaheira kiss you with that mod, but you still won't get a romance ending. The existing Toolkit can't edit romances or make new romanceables, but I think "Moonglasses" can, so we'll see what happens in the future.

What is "Moonglasses" ?

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

Blast it Khalid! You die and I swear you'll never hear the end of it!
Not making CHARNAME&Jaheira's romance canon is quite a weird choice as pretty much the whole game favors it from the start.
I didn't care much for her as I made a full Gith run.

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by Jean-Maurice Nya:

Not making CHARNAME&Jaheira's romance canon is quite a weird choice as pretty much the whole game favors it from the start.

What's weird to me is that WotC made the whole BG1/SoD/Bg2/ToB sequence canon, and also made "Abdel Adrian" to be the canonical CHARNAME, but didn't make any of the romances canon.

Abdel Adrian is mentioned several times in BG3.

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

It's not perfectly canonas Sarevok is not a spawn of Bhaal anymore and Orin shouldn't be one either. Sarevok has been deprived by his Bhaal essence and CHARNAME didn't change it by bringing him back to life. That's like the first lines of ToB.
The whole Bhaal thingy is there just to link BG3 to other games, but it is badly implemented. But it's not like Larian is known for respecting lore, DoS games are quite inconsistent lore-wise compared to previous Divinity games. Not "lore-breaking" but still weird. Writing stories is hard and they still don't hire professional writers, hence those problems (that aren't Larian specific).

Overall, even if I preferred Jaheira, a Viconia romance canon would have fit the ambiance of BG3.

[Pumpgun-Petrus]

Originally posted by Laelithra:

First of all: I'm fully aware that there are already existing discussions about this topic, but I just have to do a new one, for I really want this to get the attention it needs and deserves. This could contain potential small spoilers, so if you haven't finished the game once, please return here later! I'm also a non native English speaking person, so please don't come up with any grammar stuff. I really try my best, because this means a lot to me!!

Let's start...

When people argue against the idea of Jaheira beeing a romance option they often come up with either her age, her long dead husband Khalid or the fact, that she's having all those children in her home. I've been thinking about those arguments for quite a while now and decided to write down my thoughts about them.

Children
When you finish off your Tav run with a strong connection to her, you can literally ask to join her on the adventure she told you about earlier in the conversation. She mentions it because the past six months where she's been at home were far too boring for her. This woman is not one who sits down and does nothing but rest for so long. Especially since her adoptive children don't want her to watch them all the time either. They are so used to their mother figure beeing gone & saving the world, that they can barely handle her beeing around them all the time.
Which is somewhat sad, but it makes a lot of sense and only adds to her desire to leave for a little while and start a new adventure. After all she's been a Harper for all her life. This woman has the word adventure written down on her heart.

Khalid
There is no doubt that she still loves Khalid, even after all those many years which is as desirable as sad, because their love was deep and genuine and pure. But (!!) even in BG2 Jaheira said, that Khalid would have want her to be happy and in love again and everybody who knows kind hearted Khalid would confirm that this indeed is true. She was ready to move on in BG2, she continued to move on in BG3 with her home and children. There still is the hidden grove, but she said herself that she hasn't been in there for quite a while. I mean... come on. There have been around 124 years that have passed ever since, which leads me to the next topic:

Age
Age shouldn't be a topic in a world like Faerûn at all. There are so many different breeds who age completely different. For example: Jaheira might be an elder as a half-elf of 150 years, but full blood elves like Halsin or Astarion are way older (>200 to 350y/o) and still look much younger.
So just because they are bacisally younger in their breed is an argument to not date Jaheira? Have you ever listend to that woman? She might be an elder, but she's full of fight and life and spirit after all. You call her old and she just laughs it off and calls you a B*stard. Externally she might have aged, but internally this woman's still full of fire.

Well and since Baldurs Gate 2 and Baldurs Gate 3 aren't connectable the romance any player shared with Jaheira during the second game got lost in between the 124 years that have passed ever since the ending of BG2. Maybe that's why she bought a house in Baldurs Gate and tried to live a mothers life? Who knows...

All I know for sure is that Jaheira deserves to experience true love again, that she deserves to be the chosen one out of all the others, that she deserves to be seen and appreciated for the woman she is and not just her skills during battle. So please, Larian Studios, let us romance Jaheira like you promised, when you said that ALL companions would be romancable! Our warrior queen deserves some true, lasting love in the end!!!!

PS: All of those people who have played BG1 and BG2 are now grown ups or maybe even elders themselves, which is just one of the reasons why you can create older looking characters. Basically all those players have aged with her just as well as the love for this incredible character.

[Nature's servant awaits & so do we!!]

I never had a problem about her beeing optional to romance - i mean its optional, why would people even get mad about that.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by Laelithra:

What is "Moonglasses" ?

The hacked, unauthorized, unlocked version of Larian's Toolkit. Once unlocked, it looks like it can edit things like quest scripting , dialogue, and romance flags.

I suspect with it in the future new romanceable chars could be created, or prebiously unromanceable characters could be made so.

The Bloodletter mod introduces a new companion, Veilyn, who they are planning to make romanceable, although that part is unfinished. They did it with that tool.

This will be slow going, of course. When you're using a tool in an unauthorized way, there's usually no guides for it. It's basically fumbling in the dark.

[cirugo]

They'd have to create a bunch more cut scenes and call back the actress for them.

[TH3R4BB!T]

That old near corpse like person? No, please, I would like Orin more as a romance character