Fed up with LARIAN and the Mac version being broken

[jezmac1]

Further to the ongoing saga of Larian breaking this game (right at launch like all the other well documented issues) for a significant proportion of Mac users who can't update beyond the very current OSX they began playing the game on, I strongly recommend other users follow the same resolution I did.

If a software corporation releases an update which they did not test on all the operating systems they released the game to be played upon, then that update breaks your game and the corporation reveals through its abominable version of customer support that they have no intention of ever fixing it - beyond you spending endless hours dealing with auto-generated, non-helpful to the issue you raised email general advice - you have every right to request a full and immediate refund.

No entertainment is worth customer service that bad. Get your money back today, don't leave it in their hands while they continue to act the way they have.

And before anyone else jumps in and insists that Larian have the right to expect us to spend countless hours of our lives buggering around with the already documented non-fixes on this forum, have a good look at what you are actually asking.

Busy people, who have paid their hard earned money for a product, forced to run around like headless chooks because a bunch of incompetent corporates decided that Mac users on Ventura weren't worth including in the update testing.

While they boast of how few 'hot-fixes' this version took.

Not acceptable, get your money back from these arrogant clowns.

[jezmac1]

Whether a Mac is good for gaming or not (the game ran perfectly on my system until the update broke it and no doubt it outperformed many PC's) is utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

Larian CHOSE to release the game to be playable on a Mac.

That represents a commitment to keep it working for people who paid money in good faith on the understanding they would always be able to play on that platform into the future.

Pretty simple really.

[Popsicles]

Hey OP - Back on topic.

-I've only seen or read of people being able to play the latest patch on the latest version of Sonoma or Sequoia.
-It's running fine for me on Sonoma with an M1 Macbook Pro 2021 model.
-It wouldn't run for me on Ventura. I've not read of anyone getting it to run on any older OS.

[Thomas D.]

Originally posted by jezmac1:

Whether a Mac is good for gaming or not (the game ran perfectly on my system until the update broke it and no doubt it outperformed many PC's) is utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

You mean compared to 10 years old PCs? Sure.

Otherwise that's absolutely not true, if you compare it to PCs of same age and same price the PC definitely will win. (Except if you compare PCs not meant for gaming that for example lack a strong GPU)

Don't fall to the apple marketing or at least don't blame others that you fall for it...

Also it was apple who decided to ♥♥♥♥ Up in their recent updates and broke things, not Larian... They for example ditched Intel Mac's completely...

Also have a look at this from an experienced game dev: https://youtube.com/shorts/qRQX9fgrI4s?si=XgCBlVJpLrJtA6CU

Originally posted by jezmac1:

That represents a commitment to keep it working for people who paid money in good faith on the understanding they would always be able to play on that platform into the future.

Pretty simple really.

Yeah it is pretty simple: you have chosen the wrong platform!

Also if apple keeps ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things up, then there is a point where it literally makes no sense to support it anymore.

If you want to blame anyone: blame yourself and blame Apple. And if you want to vent, go to Apple and ask them why they keep ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things up?

[Mosey]

I'll admit I don't have much sympathy there.

Apple machines are fine if you don't mind twice the cost and being last in line for any updates, and sometimes bad one's at that, but apparently you mind and went ahead and bought an Apple gaming rig anyway.

This is pretty widely known, even if it's also often exaggerated. Apple would need to get cool with a whole lot of stuff really fast to change that perception, like caring about any 3rd party developers for example.

Originally posted by seeker1:

Look, say what you like, but if Apple was TRYING to make their platform inhospitable for gaming, Game Mode wouldn't be one of the hyped features of Sequoia. (rolls eyes).

It wouldn't need to be hyped if they hadn't been so terrible on it previously, either, nor would they have their current reputation.

Maybe Larian isn't blameless on this one, I don't know what they are doing to make things right, but demanding answers from customer service and getting cheesed off when they don't give you the scoop on future development plans is pretty absurd. You sound like the stereotype of an Apple user since you've basically demanded to speak to their manager to hurry along a global release.

[Kaworu]

The Steam forum strikes again. OP is right. Except I have to add that you'll have to be very stubborn and fight for your refund and might not get it at all. That's Capitalism for you. And, yes, I'm using the C-word.

[Piperbird]

Originally posted by seeker1:

Look, say what you like, but if Apple was TRYING to make their platform inhospitable for gaming, Game Mode wouldn't be one of the hyped features of Sequoia. (rolls eyes).

Yes, this is why so many game devs won't even bother trying to port their game to mac, because apple is SO easy to work with (rolls eyes).

It baffles me that people choose the absolute worst platform for gaming, and then complain about it.

[lailaamell]

Originally posted by Raz:

You realize this is less a problem with Larian and more an issue with Apple, right? There is a reason gaming in general is problematic on Mac. Blame Apple and the changes they did to their software, what, a decade ago that made it more difficult for games to be supported on their platform.

Want games to work better. Get off Mac.

also likely due to the difficulty porting the fact apple has a fee for the kit and the costing adding up ends up not really being worth it for the amounth of users but in reality if windows wasnt preinstalled on 96% of all pcs sold it likely wouldnt been the biggest os

[seeker1]

Can we go back to attacking the console peasants and how they're ruining everything? LOL. Some of us didn't choose a gaming rig, we chose a machine for us to do work and other tasks that we can also game on.

Like the political arguments, I usually stay out of the platform wars stuff. Pointless. Often similarly uninformed opinions.

Anyway, the issue I think comes down to who Larian is using as their porting house, which has led to problems in the past, mostly delays in Mac patches vs. Windows ones, causing some problems with Mac-PC crossplay. There was no recent Apple change causing this. If that were the case, Sequoia would be the problem, not older OSen.

I accept I won't get the modding tools. Well, not unless I break down and buy a Windows version of a game I already own, and that kinda bugs me.

I honestly don't get why Larian ties Mac mod approval to console mod approval, but it's just a minor annoyance. Slowly but surely, my favorite mods are getting updated to work without script extender (Custom Companions most recently) and now me and the console peasants can use them. LOL. Soon, once they're approved, I can even update them without leaving the game's mod manager.

The difference between me and the "peasants"RN is I don't have to wait, just get it in my external Mac mod manager.

[lailaamell]

Originally posted by seeker1:

Can we go back to attacking the console peasants and how they're ruining everything? LOL. Some of us didn't choose a gaming rig, we chose a machine for us to do work and other tasks that we can also game on.

Like the political arguments, I usually stay out of the platform wars stuff. Pointless. Often similarly uninformed opinions.

Anyway, the issue I think comes down to who Larian is using as their porting house, which has led to problems in the past, mostly delays in Mac patches vs. Windows ones, causing some problems with Mac-PC crossplay. There was no recent Apple change causing this. If that were the case, Sequoia would be the problem, not older OSen.

I accept I won't get the modding tools. Well, not unless I break down and buy a Windows version of a game I already own, and that kinda bugs me.

I honestly don't get why Larian ties Mac mod approval to console mod approval, but it's just a minor annoyance. Slowly but surely, my favorite mods are getting updated to work without script extender (Custom Companions most recently) and now me and the console peasants can use them. LOL. Soon, once they're approved, I can even update them without leaving the game's mod manager.

The difference between me and the "peasants"RN is I don't have to wait, just get it in my external Mac mod manager.

its more that mac is kinda as strict in security and files as consoles are

[seeker1]

It's not. I'm using dozens of mods that are marked "pending approval" for Mac at mod.io, and they work just fine. (Yeah, stuff has been bugged for me, but generally because it's bugged for everybody, like the first custom companions mod, or secret scrolls, etc.) Because they are unapproved, I have to go out of the in-game browser to obtain them. This is fine because IMHO it's often easier to give and read feedback and comments and view images at the website.

Something seems busted for Macs about Veilyn the Bloodletter, but it's unfinished and unauthorized. Also, I'm having some weird issue with Circle of Stars. It's fine. Maybe I'll wait for the Larian version.

There is no earthly reason why Larian ties console to Mac approval. If it works on Windows, at mod.io, it works on Mac, because nothing at mod.io uses script extender or DLL files - they can't, or they'd NEVER work on consoles.

Whatever. It just makes me keep updating them the way I always did before. Not a big deal, someday, it will just mean hitting the update button.

[RoboSauce]

I was a mac guy for quite some time, and they were notorious for breaking 3rd party software with even incremental updates (compared to Windows which tried to maintain backwards compatibility. Obviously 2 very different markets). You buy a mac, you gotta deal with the Apple philosophy of always moving forward, 3rd party hardware and software be damned (except Adobe lol).

[seeker1]

It's not Sequoia update that broke BG3. People using Sequoia like me are fine. It's the older un-updated OSen that are having issues. If I were to speculate, Larian's porting house made an update to make it work better on Sequoia, without testing for reverse compatibility.

[Popsicles]

Originally posted by seeker1:

It's not Sequoia update that broke BG3. People using Sequoia like me are fine. It's the older un-updated OSen that are having issues. If I were to speculate, Larian's porting house made an update to make it work better on Sequoia, without testing for reverse compatibility.

This is correct. Something with the latest patch broke the game for OS 12 and 13.
The game worked with all Mac OS up until this latest patch.

[Sazie]

There are bugs on windows as well, so I wouldn't call this just a Mac issue. Latest patch 7 has been very buggy, I hope they don't break it even more with patch 8.

[grebes_bcfc]

Does this game not work on a Mac then? Uninstalled it and tried again and still nothing. The MAC is 8 years old and running 'Monterey'