So am I disguised or not?

[Smegskull]

Me:Disguise self to enter goblin camp.
Ragzlin:"Great, another Drow True soul."
Me:😏
Ragzlin to dead illethid: "who killed you?"
Ragzlin to me: "It was you!"
Me: huh? You were casting Speak with dead not True seeing!

[Jaeleth]

Originally posted by Smegskull:

Me:Disguise self to enter goblin camp.
Ragzlin:"Great, another Drow True soul."
Me:😏
Ragzlin to dead illethid: "who killed you?"
Ragzlin to me: "It was you!"
Me: huh? You were casting Speak with dead not True seeing!

Yep... And worse... You attack a sentinel, they get hostile... You get out, disguise, and back in... They still turn against your WHOLE party because they recognize YOU, the former Elf disguised as a Drow to be that guy that hit the sentinel... Riiiiight....

[Kernest]

Disguise self would not affect Ragzlin or anyone detecting your tadpole,

But the illithid recognizing you is a missed opportunity.

[Levianne]

Disguise self works for those, who don't have a squirming worm in their head. Ragzlin is a True Soul, you know, one of those, who can sense you (your upstairs inhabitant), so he can see through that disguise of yours pretty clearly. Goblins can't and that's the point, isn't it?

[Levianne]

Originally posted by Kernest:

Disguise self would not affect Ragzlin or anyone detecting your tadpole,

But the illithid recognizing you is a missed opportunity.

The dead Illithid is still an Illithid, even in death, its brain would still work the same way, so it can sense you and see through the disguise, ratting you out to Ragzlin.

[Svartkladd]

Originally posted by Levianne:

Disguise self works for those, who don't have a squirming worm in their head. Ragzlin is a True Soul, you know, one of those, who can sense you (your upstairs inhabitant), so he can see through that disguise of yours pretty clearly. Goblins can't and that's the point, isn't it?

it's definitely not working as it should be (maybe because it would've been too complicated). In goblin camp, you can dispel disguise after entering and nobody cares, since it seems that you're only checked during entry dialog. Anyway, disguise doesn't seem to affect most of dialogues, so it's generally useful for goblin camp, speak with the dead and maybe boat in Underdark (though it's totally not mandatory).

[Ereghor the Enigmatic]

Both it and Seeming are wasted spells in every aspect.

About the only use is getting away with crime, and even then it's easier not to get caught.

[Levianne]

Originally posted by Svartkladd:

In goblin camp, you can dispel disguise after entering and nobody cares, since it seems that you're only checked during entry dialog.

Still makes sense. It's not like the goblins care. Most of them (if not all) would think (and rightfully so), that you've been cleared for entry at the gate (which you were by disguise, but anyway).

To put it in other words, you're being checked at the gate with a cape over your head, the guard gives you a pass. Then you later remove that cape, but you still have the pass, so anybody in the camp meeting you wouldn't care in what state you've entered, if you show them the pass, they only care, that you have it/got the permission.

[Tao314zdin]

Originally posted by Levianne:

Originally posted by Svartkladd:

In goblin camp, you can dispel disguise after entering and nobody cares, since it seems that you're only checked during entry dialog.

Still makes sense. It's not like the goblins care.

This particular example mb, but how about helping with grove-gate fight in diguse, leaving and coming back without disguise?

How much sense does it make that they all know it was you?

Saying that taking into account all such scenarios is a very complex task, so it will probably only get better once AI is involved into gaming.

[Kernest]

Originally posted by Tao314zdin:

Saying that taking into account all such scenarios is a very complex task, so it will probably only get better once AI is involved into gaming.

I think you're overestimating AI.

[Tao314zdin]

Originally posted by Kernest:

Originally posted by Tao314zdin:

Saying that taking into account all such scenarios is a very complex task, so it will probably only get better once AI is involved into gaming.

I think you're overestimating AI.

Well the current one can pretty much do it already, in a sense it can keep track of pretty long logic chains of whom knows what etc.

Question is how to include that into games in a reasonable capacity. Those networks (for code generation or image making, for example) can run on a reasonable PC.

But sure we shall see.

[Smegskull]

I don't think Ragzlin can see through my disguise because he thought I was a Drow. and the ilethid didn't see through it or didn't show that because the narration clearly states a vision of "your face". and even if Ragzlin could see through my disguise I was disguised as an orc when I did the opening quest anyway so the face he would have been shown would be useless to him.

[Bumc]

Yep they messed up the Ragzlin dialogue on top of the very convenient timing of always happening when you get there.

Really easy to fix though with just not mentioning the face and instead have illithid transfer the same sensation Ragzlin perceives when he sees you (assuming True Souls can sense something unique from each other).

The peaceful dialogue options works even better then -- who knows wtf illithid meant by that answer.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Tao314zdin:

Originally posted by Kernest:

I think you're overestimating AI.

Well the current one can pretty much do it already, in a sense it can keep track of pretty long logic chains of whom knows what etc.

Question is how to include that into games in a reasonable capacity. Those networks (for code generation or image making, for example) can run on a reasonable PC.

But sure we shall see.

You are definitely overestimating AI based on misconceptions.