Sneak Attack + Eldritch Blast question

[Kamuizin]

I was going for EB Warlock 2 + Bard 10 build, but searching builds for my companions i just found this comment:

"So... given that Sneak Attack is currently being added to cantrips & spells... and when the cantrip is Eldritch Blast, it's apparently added to all beams..."

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/BG3Builds/comments/16amwpg/is_there_any_actual_way_to_get_in_more_than_one/

So, is sneak attack being added to each EB individually? Thus, a Rogue 9 / Warkock 2+ would be giving (after lvl 10) ...

3x (1d10 + 5d6 + [cha mod x 2*]) at the very minimum?

*Potent Robe

Just asking cos i'm consoidering a respec on my build. I pick Bard most for the expertise bonus for social proficiences, as i intend to mostly focus on EB and Warlock + Rogue is sounding very pleasing to the ears atm.

[Razorblade]

Sneak attack doesn't work on spells, same as tabletop. The thread you're quoting is a year old.

[Boss]

I didn't know that was a thing, but sneak attack on spells was patched out ages ago. It was just a bug, or otherwise unintended

[Kamuizin]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

Sneak attack doesn't work on spells, same as tabletop. The thread you're quoting is a year old.

WIKI needs an overhaul: "As of Patch #1: You can Sneak Attack with Ranged Spell Attacks requiring an Attack Roll to determine whether you hit, e.g. Fire Bolt or Eldritch Blast. Sneak Attack damage will apply only once and you need to wield a Finesse or Ranged weapon".

Source: https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Sneak+Attack+(Ranged)

Last update of it was 11.02.2023, so maybe it's truly changed.

About the main issue, you're right. It was changed in Patch 4.

Source: https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Patch_Notes

[DeMasked]

Yea Sneak Attack being applied to each Eldritch Blast would've been OP since you can just get the Feat Spell Sniper and have it work for Intelligence ala Arcane Trickster Rogue.

Sadly if you DO go for a spell casting rogue you aren't that powerful. You can still use a main action for spell casting / cantrips and then the bonus action for sneak attack via dual wield melee / ranged.

Since Arcane Trickster doesn't get high spell slots you'd want to use the scrolls for that subclass. Maybe put a point or 2 into Wizard so you can get Shovel and get easy Sneak Attacks with the invisibility adjacency.

I might do a full Arcane Trickster run. Last time was a multiplayer go with 10 and 2 Wizard. Will wait for the next big update.

[Kamuizin]

Originally posted by DeMasked:

Sadly if you DO go for a spell casting rogue you aren't that powerful. You can still use a main action for spell casting / cantrips and then the bonus action for sneak attack via dual wield melee / ranged.

Before Patch 4:

Assassin 9 / Warlock 2 / Fighter 1

Main attack EB - 1d10 + 5d6 + 2xCha mod + knockback sounds good.

Also

AT 11/12 dex + Int sounds pretty neat to me.

[DeMasked]

Originally posted by Kamuizin:

Originally posted by DeMasked:

Sadly if you DO go for a spell casting rogue you aren't that powerful. You can still use a main action for spell casting / cantrips and then the bonus action for sneak attack via dual wield melee / ranged.

Before Patch 4:

Assassin 9 / Warlock 2 / Fighter 1

Main attack EB - 1d10 + 5d6 + 2xCha mod + knockback sounds good.

Also

AT 11/12 dex + Int sounds pretty neat to me.

You can still do that but instead use dual melee / ranged and a bonus action to get the Sneak Attack off.

Know that Critical Hits and Pierce Vulnerability multiplies your sneak attack damage so if you melee hit an enemy who is paralysed + vulnerable you could deal 18d6 at 11 Rogue.

[Kamuizin]

Originally posted by DeMasked:

You can still do that but instead use dual melee / ranged and a bonus action to get the Sneak Attack off.

Know that Critical Hits and Pierce Vulnerability multiplies your sneak attack damage so if you melee hit an enemy who is paralysed + vulnerable you could deal 18d6 at 11 Rogue.

Well, Crit + Sneak attack is way worse than Sneak Attack on EB, indeed.

If fact, from AD&D to 5e, not a single edition allowed Crit to stack with sneak attack (despite the fact the old backstab did, doing monstruous damage, but that's not the point). Probably a mistake on Larian side they never bothered to fix.

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[guard65]

Even if sneak attack effected spells it uses a charge per turn. You only get one per turn via this value ActionResource(SneakAttack_Charge,1,0). So once that single sneak attack charge is used it can not trigger again. The charge restores at the beginning of your turn.

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by Kamuizin:

Source: https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Sneak+Attack+(Ranged)

Last update of it was 11.02.2023, so maybe it's truly changed.

Fextra is complete s*it site. They are notorious for having A LOT of stuff wrong, somehow have their site as #1 in search results, leading to people reading wrong info. They also don't update their sites, ever. They only do updates or add stuff during the first few weeks or months after release.

Do not use their site. It's bad. Here is an actually good and accurate source: https://bg3.wiki/

[Kamuizin]

Originally posted by guard65:

Even if sneak attack effected spells it uses a charge per turn. You only get one per turn via this value ActionResource(SneakAttack_Charge,1,0). So once that single sneak attack charge is used it can not trigger again. The charge restores at the beginning of your turn.

EB is 1x per turn, also. Point of Sneak attack is that each blast receive the effect (before Patch 4). So a 10+ character did 3x 5d6 or 6d6 (based on the number of rogue levels). By itself it was a max damage of 108 damage solely from Sneak Attack.

[guard65]

Originally posted by Kamuizin:

Originally posted by guard65:

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Not sure what you even stated so I will just post this from the spell Target_SneakAttack

data "RequirementConditions" "WieldingFinesseWeaponInSpecificHand(context.Source,false) and HasActionResource('SneakAttack_Charge',1,0,false,false,context.Source)"

data "SpellRoll" "Attack(AttackType.MeleeWeaponAttack)"

data "SpellSuccess" "DealDamage(MainMeleeWeapon + LevelMapValue(SneakAttack), MainMeleeWeaponDamageType);ExecuteWeaponFunctors(MainHand)"

data "UseCosts" "ActionPoint:1;SneakAttack_Charge:1"

data "Sheathing" "Melee"

[sevensided]

Originally posted by Kamuizin:

If fact, from AD&D to 5e, not a single edition allowed Crit to stack with sneak attack (despite the fact the old backstab did, doing monstruous damage, but that's not the point). Probably a mistake on Larian side they never bothered to fix.

Wait....are you saying that Critical hits *don't* double sneak attack dice? If that is what you are saying, you're very wrong.

If not, then you're wording of this passage is very ... muddled.

[Kamuizin]

Originally posted by sevensided:

Originally posted by Kamuizin:

If fact, from AD&D to 5e, not a single edition allowed Crit to stack with sneak attack (despite the fact the old backstab did, doing monstruous damage, but that's not the point). Probably a mistake on Larian side they never bothered to fix.

Wait....are you saying that Critical hits *don't* double sneak attack dice? If that is what you are saying, you're very wrong.

If not, then you're wording of this passage is very ... muddled.

I can confirm for sure that AD&D and 3.5ed doesn't Crit the sneak attack. I checked the 5e player's handbook and it's really stated there that sneak attack rolls (and any added roll from any source) will Crit, except ability modifiers.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Kamuizin:

EB is 1x per turn, also.

Incorrect. You can EB as many times as you have actions/bonus actions and resources to make those happen. Sneak Attack will always be one activation per turn regardless of your action economy.