Baldur's Gate 3...WHY...a level cap of ...10???? WTF????

[Orim]

I don't even own this game- but used to play a great deal of AD&D (NOT D&D and this trash GURPS crap that is current edition D&D.
You are playing on multiple planes of existence in BG3...
You are fighting Mind Flayers, devils and other extraordinarily powerful creatures and bosses in BG3...
You are utilizing Artifacts (something considered extraordinarily RARE in old versions of AD&D, and normally NOT accessible or actually USABLE by low level players...

You are level capped at..level 10???? You SHOULD be having your ARSE handed to you in almost every encounter, if not being killed outright at merely level 10 (or any level lower than 10). Multi-planar adventures typically were set for level 16 (or 18 or above)- NAMED level characters (Lord , Lady, Arch-Mage etc. al)......what the hell HAPPENED to ...D&D????

Even the ORIGINAL Baldur's Gate 1 allowed you to reach between level 8-10, Baldur's Gate II and its expansions allowed for MUCH higher levels of characters- WELL above level 10 ...so here we are at ...Baldur's Gate 3...and we've gone....BACKWARDS???? And yes, I GET the point that player objectives and goals would likely VASTLY change after acquiring or approaching 'named' levels - owning and running a castle or tower, or territory, or pocket plane of existence, making new and unique spells (or creatures or minions), or making pacts..with Drow, demons or anything else in between, or exploring and surviving new or unknown planes of existence, or seeking immortality, or death...BUT..this level 10 cap....is crap- A casual Mind Flayer SHOULD and WOULD EAT YOU- like a tootsie roll.... There was OF COURSE the very traditional AD&D addage that even low level characters can indeed succeed and win (usually by making the very best decisions, and a roll of the dice) -and by doing so repeatedly, they would eventually become....HIGHER level characters....level 10...is NOT....So either NOTHING in the game generates XP whatsoever, or the creatures and XP reward system for the ret-conned rules of (is it 5ht or 6th Edition now?) D&D have severely DOWNGRADED enemies to merely 'pests' status, or the gear was amped up to near god-like quality to compensate for the utter lack of available XP- or is it potential player incompetency- is THAT why there is such an incredibly low level cap in BG3?

Even the old rules had recommended LEVELS at which you could or WOULD NOT encounter such creatures , so apparently the new rules allow for EXTREMELY, HORRIFICALLY overpowered characters- which completely dispenses with the actual struggle and effort to acquire better equipment, resources, or a sense of 'self'...it's no wonder players simply parade about with their gear or take photos, after casually killing or assisting with killing gods and demi-gods in B3...since they are merely...pests....whatever....

[Orim]

umm.NO...even if I was wrong at 10....BG2 took you WELL above level 10...OR 12...WELL ABOVE....so YES we are going BACKWARDS....

[Orim]

I think the peak level in BG 2, with expansions, is level 40....nearly 4 times the cap of BG3...

[Mad Scientist]

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[Electric Cupcake]

Non-neutral Bards and Druids is the biggest blasphemy.

And not being able to import your old character. BG3 should have just been a new IP instead of sullying Baldur's Gate's good name.

[Orim]

THIS is why, when you are low level, and have few options (NOT multiple skills, NOT multiple attacks, or ALREADY OP'ed armor)...you carry a stone pot of green slime....even a Mind Flayer does NOT like green slime, and won't always fare well against it....works well on wooden/steel locks as well- even if they trapped...

[Orim]

I want the LEVELS BACK, and the 'EXTRA' skills GONE- THOSE skills should be something you seek out ANOTHER to train you in -NOT something that you receive automatically- when you are low level you need to CONSTANTLY think outside the box....not just WADE IN, because you are essentially OP'ed from the outset...this DESTROYS immersion, and makes you mentally LAZY...(or at least playing your character or team a lazy exercise)...

[Orim]

THIS is what happened when GURPS took over AD&D..it just became ridiculous, even if it's supposed to be only imaginary....

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by william.avery.robinson:

THIS is why, when you are low level, and have few options (NOT multiple skills, NOT multiple attacks, or ALREADY OP'ed armor)...you carry a stone pot of green slime....even a Mind Flayer does NOT like green slime, and won't always fare well against it....works well on wooden/steel locks as well- even if they trapped...

You still have few options at low level.

[Nx Machina]

The max level in BG3 is 12, not 10.

[Orim]

You ALWAYS have green slime..that crap is everywhere....and it has SO many uses...think outside of the box....destroys enemy weapons and armor, can be used as ...ulp...NASTY poison (toxin?)....can be used to clean up your dungeon (provided you shelled out for stones walls and flooring.).or kill off pests...can even be used on mimics...trolls.....EVERYTHING.... (A)D&D was SUPPOSED to be a THINKING game (hence it's association with nerds)..NOT an 'action' game...such as how pretty do I look in my armor.....OR... you COULD tame a few rust monsters...

[Orim]

YEP..i already admitted to quoting the wrong level cap number for BG3...it is indeed level 12..which is 28 levels BELOW BG2 (IF you included all the expansions)...we STILL goin backwards....

[Ogami]

Originally posted by william.avery.robinson:

YEP..i already admitted to quoting the wrong level cap number for BG3...it is indeed level 12..which is 28 levels BELOW BG2 (IF you included all the expansions)...we STILL goin backwards....

Baldurs Gate 3 is based on D&D 5th edition rules where level 20 is the highest possible level.
And 20 means you are basically a demi god that can annihilate entire armies without breaking a sweat.
In the tabletop games around level 12-14 is where many groups start over because it gets so boring since everyone is so powerful.
Capping the level at 12 was the correct decision for BG 3.

BG 2 did use a completely different leveling and power system, a level 40 character in BG 2 is about as strong as a level 12 character in BG 3.

[76561199676067268]

Please move this to the Balls Gay 3 hub

[alanc9]

Originally posted by william.avery.robinson:

I don't even own this game- but used to play a great deal of AD&D (NOT D&D and this trash GURPS crap that is current edition D&D.

Too bad for you that 5th ed. is popular.

Even the ORIGINAL Baldur's Gate 1 allowed you to reach between level 8-10, Baldur's Gate II and its expansions allowed for MUCH higher levels of characters- WELL above level 10

So you're comparing one game to two games and two expansions. You do realize how silly you're being, right?

A casual Mind Flayer SHOULD and WOULD EAT YOU- like a tootsie roll....

5e mind flayers are Challenge 7, last I checked. The system has been rebalanced, as others have told you.

[Woke Buster]

Originally posted by william.avery.robinson:

I think the peak level in BG 2, with expansions, is level 40....nearly 4 times the cap of BG3...

Yep. And BG2 is still a much better game than BG3 even today.