Baldur's Gate brothel barkeep

[ennui]

Just out of curiosity, why make this character masculine, very tall and with a short haircut, equipped in armor and having sheathed weapons, while she is a woman? I am not a businessman, but I think having a feminine, hot girl to serving drinks would bring in more customers.

Most people who play this game are guys. This character does nothing for them. I have personally met many "amazonian" women in my life and literally all of them are girlsy. Not one of them wanted to be seen as manly, and so they liked pink, cute things and feminine attire.

This is getting so annoying. In Cyberpunk 2077, you also have a bartender. Then out of the blue she starts telling her story, how she "gender transitioned". In Hogwarts you have some woman at the inn who sounds like a man, and this raised eyebrows (you can check yourself).

What I am truly surprised at is that I haven't yet encountered a strong, independent female blacksmith who happens to be the best sword and armor creator in the world, despite facing discrimination when young, working as a cleaner for a dwarf blacksmith who never saw her potential.

[Woke Buster]

Short answer: ESG scores.

Sweet Baby Inc. has Wizards of the Coast listed in their customers list. Don't try to find any logic in any of this, the local woke minority will come to this thread and derail it anyway.

Also, this sums it all up very well:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2T0MbMKfpQk

[jait]

Business exists to make money.

So you need customers. Following along so far? Some woke folks find these first two points to be very complicated. They believe the business exists to affirm their belief system. And they assume that's what it's been for all along. Nike, Reebok, Starbucks, they care about the bottom line. This is why they all use the cheapest labor imaginable to create their product. But some folks think that an inanimate thing like a "company" can care and have real emotions beyond "Buy this"

Worse is that third parties can exploit this by providing even more money. They aren't your customer though, in fact, other than your success they don't care, they're want to be a partner. An Ally even....

And they bring a fringe element along, so you're forced to cater to that fringe element.

When that money dries up and disappears? You guessed it. There isn't enough of those fringe customers to support your agenda, And the bandleaders leading the march weren't on your side. They are on money's side.

A very small group of people are very very good at getting the masses to wag their finger at each other over issues that have nothing to do with the PRODUCT. So that's why you're going to continue to get uncanny valley characters, in the hope we can all point at you and call you a bigot. Or alternatively point and call you brave.

It's neither btw. It's just about money.

[seeker1]

Dunno, as always people seem to be reaching for some odd CT type explanations for that character.

If you've ever been in a strip club, so I've heard anyway (LOL), the prettiest girls are doing the dancing. The ones serving drinks are not the prettiest. They aren't getting tipped for being pretty, the strippers are. And if they're more than strippers, well, that's what the private upstairs areas of the club are for.

I always figured that was the reason why. Nym Orilith is the pretty one, the bartender is just there because she's there to make the special hooch.

[alanc9]

But when people make stuff conservatives don't like, it simply has to be part of a conspiracy, doesn't it?

[alanc9]

Escrito originalmente por ennui:

I am not a businessman, but I think having a feminine, hot girl to serving drinks would bring in more customers.

As seeker1 points out, they have other staff for that.

I have personally met many "amazonian" women in my life and literally all of them are girlsy. Not one of them wanted to be seen as manly, and so they liked pink, cute things and feminine attire.

Well, since it's anecdote time, I've known women who went both ways with that. I suppose it depends a lot on where you live.

As for the why of it, this sort of thing is what the creatives like to do, and they'll do it unless the suits stop them. And unless a lot of their business comes from socially backwards places -- China, Russia. Alabama, etc. -- there's no particular reason for the suits to care.

[Panzerbjorne39]

How about the game tricking the player into thinking you can talk it out with shart about not killing nightsong? The narrator even says so. You have a relationship with her. Your trusted companions at that point. Then when you actually try to do that, she flips out and you have to kill her. The only way to keep her chill and in the party is to stay quiet and trust she’ll do the right thing, what does that tell young men?

[Estevan Valladares]

People have to make everything about their own identity politics, be it their side being the "oppressor" or the "oppressed".

That might be a shock to some people, but in old times, [that term I cant put here but everyone knows and uses this term and only recently it became an "offensive term", due to identity politics, but they called even themselves that] women was IRL employed on that precise position for two reasons:

- Intimidation: An even more to that exact point figure would warn unruly patrons on the respect of women. Today we have "rule of law", it means if you assault someone, or do minor "violence", it is assault, battery, disorderly conduct, etc. In medieval times, half of the stuff that can land you in jail for months today were "perks of working in a tavern/bar".
- Direction: Do you put your lawyers to answer the phones ? Advocating that a brothel would use a "beautiful woman" as the "matron" goes the same logic.
- At that point women who could "do man job" would be an asset because in certain places, no matter how much a woman could "do man jobs", they were not put to fight in wars or expect to do "man's duty", so they would be put in places that their "natural disposition and persuasion" would work well.

We dont need to use things as "political stage", and doing so only furthers the agenda of those you are criticizing.

Maybe what I said you might consider "far fetched", maybe "it is not what they wanted", but you should learn that the fastest way to end even your so much criticized "SBI" agenda is to not consider it works.

Every time you get upset by something made in "SBI" way, and rage about it, it is their win, not yours. Every time you make or cheer a video of Acolon, Gamers & Geeks, and that other dumb nut who talks about it non stop, you are fueling their argument and indicating they are doing the job right.

If you simply subvert their efforts and ignore their attitude, they will go stepping up until they are so triggered they look insane.

Unfortunately, ALL people always applying Identity politics are all the same, dumb all the same, and annoying all the same.

[Dork_Stalker_310]

I sometimes wish that more games would follow Dishonored/Prey character design philosophy of making everyone gritty, stiff, blocky and over exaggerated, so that these types of complaints would get filtered on the first gameplay reveal.

Yeah, everyone looks like they were born in a coal mine, live on a diet of stale bread and sigaretts and the only skincare product they have are their own sweat and tears, how could you tell?

[Big Boss]

It was a design choice by the game devs, they made a choice. You disagree with it ... move on with life perhaps?

Dont have to go on a crazy rant every time you dont like something. Unless you feel entitled to it ofc lol

[Estevan Valladares]

Escrito originalmente por Big Boss:

It was a design choice by the game devs, they made a choice. You disagree with it ... move on with life perhaps?

Dont have to go on a crazy rant every time you dont like something. Unless you feel entitled to it ofc lol

You know when you make those kinds of arguments someone can slap you with:

"it is OP post choice. You disagree with it, move on with life perhaps ?
Dont have to go on a crazy jab everytime you dont like something. Unless you feel entitled to it ofc lol. "

Because just stopping by and telling people to just "not post something" by making the argument you should "ignore" what you dislike is a self defeating argument.
You did just made a post without any argument or any thoughts on the matter just saying that you think OP should not post what OP posted. How is that any different ?

[Quillithe]

Escrito originalmente por Panzerbjorne39:

How about the game tricking the player into thinking you can talk it out with shart about not killing nightsong? The narrator even says so. You have a relationship with her. Your trusted companions at that point. Then when you actually try to do that, she flips out and you have to kill her. The only way to keep her chill and in the party is to stay quiet and trust she’ll do the right thing, what does that tell young men?

Ugh yeah how could a game teach men that women are able to make their own decisions and you should listen to them and stuff.

Honestly I'm surprised by people didn't see that "I trust you to do what is right" is going to go over better than the options where you just straight up tell her to betray her goddess because you told her to.

[Quillithe]

Escrito originalmente por ennui:

Just out of curiosity, why make this character masculine, very tall and with a short haircut, equipped in armor and having sheathed weapons, while she is a woman?

Escrito originalmente por ennui:

Most people who play this game are guys. This character does nothing for them.

Jaime Lannister is gonna fight you

[seeker1]

Escrito originalmente por Panzerbjorne39:

How about the game tricking the player into thinking you can talk it out with shart about not killing nightsong? The narrator even says so. You have a relationship with her. Your trusted companions at that point. Then when you actually try to do that, she flips out and you have to kill her. The only way to keep her chill and in the party is to stay quiet and trust she’ll do the right thing, what does that tell young men?

Depends on your Approval. I can tell you that if you have good Approval with her, you can convince her not to kill Nightsong, and also not have to fight her. No persuasion required.

[Quillithe]

Escrito originalmente por Hobocop:

Escrito originalmente por Quillithe:

Ugh yeah how could a game teach men that women are able to make their own decisions and you should listen to them and stuff.

Honestly I'm surprised by people didn't see that "I trust you to do what is right" is going to go over better than the options where you just straight up tell her to betray her goddess because you told her to.

That's like...the entire point of her opening up to the player to begin with; let her make the decisions and don't try to force her hand or she gets defensive.

It's also just basic human nature. People generally don't like you telling them what to do and they get defensive about it and double down on their own beliefs. She's basically already looking for you to talk her into it, but if you get too pushy it just makes her classify you as an enemy more or less instead of someone whose opinion she can trust.

Of course after writing that, it does make sense that a lot of people online don't know this based on how internet discussions go...

[seeker1]

Escrito originalmente por Estevan Valladares:

Unfortunately, ALL people always applying Identity politics are all the same, dumb all the same, and annoying all the same.

Yes.... yes they are, mon frere.

The thing is, some of us are just playing the game. Not constantly finding things to insert imaginary agendas into and complain about.

The madame running the brothel isn't the prettiest, either. But then, she doesn't have to be. I also on the one hand wonder why she doesn't care about why one of her hookers has just been murdered, but then, based on her response and her attitude, I guess it makes sense. To her.