Game doesn't deserve its name.

[Chun Eastwood]

As it has nothing to do with Baldurs Gate 1 or 2. Gameplay isn't remotely similar and the (terribly written) story feels like bad fanfiction. They somehow managed to butcher a ton of OG BG characters besides the story taking place 100 years later.

Should have been called Baldurs Gate Adventures or some other corny name.
I'm glad BG4 is off the table for Larian. It takes courage to admit that you are just not the right guys for the job.

[Flake]

Originally posted by seeker1:

Originally posted by Jaeleth:

Woke ĥad a good origin. It degraded throughout the centuries,

Yah, I know you keep trying to drag it back to Abraham Lincoln, but the real modern connotative use of the word goes back to the 1920s, not the 1860s. There was a Lincoln-supporting abolitionist movement called the Wide Awakes, but the admonition for folks to "Stay Woke" seems to come from Marcus Garvey in 1923, and the folk singer Lead Belly in 1938..... so many diferent sources on this, but here's another good one.

Like many slang terms, this one comes out of AAVE. More generally, Black folks told each other to "Stay Woke" as to whether Klan were in nearby towns.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2023/02/11253627/woke-meaning-co-opted-politics

"Woke may feel like a term that has lost all coherent meaning... or one that has been twisted so much it has bent into a slur, but its roots, undoubtedly, are Black."
KATHLEEN NEWMAN-BREMANG

"Slang amongst Black people is a love language... There’s something really sinister about this term not only being taken from us but also deployed against us. It’s a double violation."
KHIARA M. BRIDGES, AUTHOR AND LAW PROFESSOR
[snip][end]

That's just plain stupid ideology at play.

What if I were to tell you ... that in fact, there is no political agenda here, no agenda at work, no ideology at play ... just a design choice by the game's writers and developers. Based on earlier FR lore as they interpret it. They are not in fact trying to "force" anything on anybody - they are not forcing more women to join the Army if they don't want to, or anything else. They just made a game.

And that, in fact, it's the people claiming Larian is trying to force a political agenda ... are the ones who are really, in fact, forcing their own political agenda on the rest of the game's players.

I'm telling you this because I believe it to be true.

(Insert pickachu shock)

EA version of this game had Facial hair for women, and the default human was (non white) and there was no Genital slider, so i dont know if who put the woke in it, Wotc? Edit : https://dnd.wizards.com/news/diversity-and-dnd

Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is strength, for only a diverse group of adventurers can overcome the many challenges a D&D story presents. In that spirit, making D&D as welcoming and inclusive as possible has moved to the forefront of our priorities over the last six years. DEI (money)

One of the explicit design goals of 5th edition D&D is to depict humanity in all its beautiful diversity by depicting characters who represent an array of ethnicities, gender identities, sexual orientations, and beliefs. We want everyone to feel at home around the game table and to see positive reflections of themselves within our products. “Human” in D&D means everyone, not just fantasy versions of northern Europeans, and the D&D community is now more diverse than it’s ever been.


Other things i have to say, why put saverok and jaheria in bg3? is it for fan service bcus they dont really fit very well in the game, while bg1-bg2 was more og to the dnd.

[wtiger27]

I couldn't care less if the game has departures from the D&D rules and the first two games in the series. I am enjoying it a lot because I was wanting a Divinity 2 sequel and this has served that purpose very well for me.

And with it's well deserved rewards and a Overwhelmingly Positive ratings, I think your arguments are invalid for most players OP.

[Flake]

Are you suggesting im wrong about everything, and is a troll?

[Donald Darko]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

I couldn't care less if the game has departures from the D&D rules and the first two games in the series. I am enjoying it a lot because I was wanting a Divinity 2 sequel and this has served that purpose very well for me.

And with it's well deserved rewards and a Overwhelmingly Positive ratings, I think your arguments are invalid for most players OP.

At least there's one player admitting this is a far cry from D&D and they mostly appreciate it as a divinity sequel. If only the rest of the casual playerbase for this game was that self-aware, or intellectually honest.

[Necropants]

it's not like BG1 or two were amazingly well written either.

[Jaeleth]

Originally posted by seeker1:

Yah, I know you keep trying to drag it back to Abraham Lincoln, but the real modern connotative use of the word goes back to the 1920s, not the 1860s.

[...]

What if I were to tell you ... that in fact, there is no political agenda here, no agenda at work, no ideology at play ... just a design choice by the game's writers and developers. Based on earlier FR lore as they interpret it. They are not in fact trying to "force" anything on anybody - they are not forcing more women to join the Army if they don't want to, or anything else. They just made a game.

And that, in fact, it's the people claiming Larian is trying to force a political agenda ... are the ones who are really, in fact, forcing their own political agenda on the rest of the game's players.

I'm telling you this because I believe it to be true.

1. I'm not "trying" to drag it to Lincoln... History has done that for me. The rest is degradation throughout time, as I said. By the way, the modern definition for it is not even 1920's, it's more like 2010's... But the problem is not what defines it, it is what is used for...
When it goes beyond the scope of its original intentions to exaggerate things with the sole purpose of stirring and destabilising society and creating division.

2. Never said Larian HAD a political agenda, lol, no, they're too small, and much too concerned in earning their living, for that. Only said that many modern woke issues today are raised with the exact purpose of pressing on a determined political agenda and not exactly in defending their original concept, that is, the inequalities of the excluded. Besides, BG3 is not, inherently, woke, "wokism" is merely a footnote, at best, in the game; but... it does have some woke bits though.

[artemisone]

Originally posted by Jaeleth:

Woke ĥad a good origin. It degraded throughout the centuries, as almost everything. Now, we live in the stupid hyperbolic era... Take this one example... Larian made the Flaming Fist mostly composed of women, particularly high ranking officials, to endorse equality on a profession historically reserved to men... Well, that's fine an'all but you know what? Modern armies already accept women at every job and yet the percentage of women in this career is nowhere near the numbers Larian made them to be in BG3, and why? Because most women DON'T want it. Most women prefer to wear pretty clothes and look sexy and fabulous than crawling in the mud and being shot at and kill others. And there's no ammount of wokism that will make them change, it is what they are and what they like to be. Woke cannot go against nature, woke ends its job when it provides equal opportunities to all, but when it tries to force a narrative that the affected ethnic or gender group themselves do not even identify with, well... That's just plain stupid ideology at play.

you mean Baldur’s Gate is supposed to be realistic? the character design is an artistic choice. Of course anyone can critique them on that level. but realism seems irrelevant here. i prefer lostly female NPCs because I am a hetero male and I prefer to look at sexy women in armor even in animation. the males are just meh to me. your
Mileage may differ.

[Fluffykeith]

Originally posted by Jaeleth:

Woke ĥad a good origin. It degraded throughout the centuries, as almost everything. Now, we live in the stupid hyperbolic era... Take this one example... Larian made the Flaming Fist mostly composed of women, particularly high ranking officials, to endorse equality on a profession historically reserved to men... Well, that's fine an'all but you know what? Modern armies already accept women at every job and yet the percentage of women in this career is nowhere near the numbers Larian made them to be in BG3, and why? Because most women DON'T want it. Most women prefer to wear pretty clothes and look sexy and fabulous than crawling in the mud and being shot at and kill others. And there's no ammount of wokism that will make them change, it is what they are and what they like to be. Woke cannot go against nature, woke ends its job when it provides equal opportunities to all, but when it tries to force a narrative that the affected ethnic or gender group themselves do not even identify with, well... That's just plain stupid ideology at play.

It’s almost like the world of Faerun and the real world are very different places, with different cultural norms…

[seeker1]

Originally posted by Flake:

Other things i have to say, why put saverok and jaheria in bg3? is it for fan service bcus they dont really fit very well in the game, while bg1-bg2 was more og to the dnd.

Dunno, I was never a fan of how Sarevok got a fake seeming redemption arc in ToB, so I enjoyed killing him the second time. Or third? Who can keep track.

As for Jaheira, she was one of my favorite party members. It was a little bit like having Aunt Mae on the team. Aunt Mae often has the wisest insights on what Peter should do next, comes with age, and Auntie Jaheira was kinda like that.

[Dangeki]

judging by your name

is this some sort of weird shaming kink

[Jarsonne]

Originally posted by Flake:

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Other things i have to say, why put saverok and jaheria in bg3? is it for fan service bcus they dont really fit very well in the game,

Why?

There's no fan service, it's to give more weight to the name Baldur's Gate 3, For Saverok his resurrect is even more credible than in BG2. And Jaheira is fully well integrated to main story through Harper.

[haasi]

Originally posted by Jarsonne:

And Jaheira is fully well integrated to main story through Harper.

well integrated? literally has no impact on anything and only purpose is a minor side quest, affects main story how?

[Diomedes]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

I couldn't care less if the game has departures from the D&D rules and the first two games in the series. I am enjoying it a lot because I was wanting a Divinity 2 sequel and this has served that purpose very well for me.

And with it's well deserved rewards and a Overwhelmingly Positive ratings, I think your arguments are invalid for most players OP.

BG3 is actually one of the most faithful adaption of the tabletop ruleset I have seen for a game.. Bg1 and BG2, on the other hand, play little like the actual table top experience of second edition. Where they had to dumb down numerous things, or flat out omit them to make it work within their engine.

[haasi]

Originally posted by Diomedes:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

I couldn't care less if the game has departures from the D&D rules and the first two games in the series. I am enjoying it a lot because I was wanting a Divinity 2 sequel and this has served that purpose very well for me.

And with it's well deserved rewards and a Overwhelmingly Positive ratings, I think your arguments are invalid for most players OP.

BG3 is actually one of the most faithful adaption of the tabletop ruleset I have seen for a game.. Bg1 and BG2, on the other hand, play little like the actual table top experience of second edition. Where they had to dumb down numerous things, or flat out omit them to make it work within their engine.

what do you mean? bg3 is the epitome of dumbed down 5e

[Diomedes]

Originally posted by haasi:

Originally posted by Diomedes:

BG3 is actually one of the most faithful adaption of the tabletop ruleset I have seen for a game.. Bg1 and BG2, on the other hand, play little like the actual table top experience of second edition. Where they had to dumb down numerous things, or flat out omit them to make it work within their engine.

what do you mean? bg3 is the epitome of dumbed down 5e

As opposed to BG1 and BG2? Where things like positioning, movement, any kind of elevation, numerous class mechanics (like grappling), being absolutely non existent? Its fine to not like BG3, but to some how claim BG1 and BG2 weren't massively dumbed down rule sets to make them work wtihin their limited engines..