Plants ambush in Shadowland bugged or bs?

[Frederick White]

I see them sitting around so I sneak and try to reverse ambush them, I successfully initiated the fight, but I AM the one being surprised? Is this intended? Why?

[DeMasked]

Probably bugged. Imo they should be invisible if you fail the perception check and then if you move closer they attack with Surprise.

It's similar to another encounter with undead ravens but in that case it works as one would think it would work.

[Kappa]

Originally posted by Frederick White:

I see them sitting around so I sneak and try to reverse ambush them, I successfully initiated the fight, but I AM the one being surprised? Is this intended? Why?

Being surprised in bg3 is something I never understood.

For example, If I wait outside the combat ( ie: join a friend who already started one ) it's not rare that I also get the surprised condition when I join the fight.

I think the best one might do is to let a whole round pass and then join with a different character ( or get the alert feat or some similar class perk not to be surprised ), but as for starting the encounter and still being surprised... I haven't find a solution yet ( but I can tell you it's not only act 2 plants related ).

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

You need to win initiative to surprise the enemy.

[Penitence]

If I recall, upon inspection of their Ambush status it says they cannot be Surprised. Makes sense. That aside, it may depend on how you initiated the fight, and also if you noticed only some or all your characters were Surprised.

[MystShade]

you can "see them" if you have enough dark vision, but to avoid the ambush at least 1 party member needs to successfully roll a perception check before the fight start.

If you fail that check you can try hiding and hitting first - it should allow you to start a normal fight as both ambush nullifies each other, but just hitting them trigger their scripted ambush state. you could also carry the alert feat witch cancel all the ambush in act 2.

[LordNibbler]

Just to confirm Penitence: yes, they have the feature "Perfect Sentry" and can not be surprised.

If you want to avoid becoming surprised at all for your team members it's best to take the Feat "Alert" (which I find in general a great Feat).

[DeMasked]

Originally posted by LordNibbler:

Just to confirm Penitence: yes, they have the feature "Perfect Sentry" and can not be surprised.

If you want to avoid becoming surprised at all for your team members it's best to take the Feat "Alert" (which I find in general a great Feat).

Yes, Alert is super valuable especially if doing an Honour Mode run.