Anyone else find Minthara's romance path kind of...dumb? *SPOILERS*

[76561198056374986]

Barring the fact that it is 2024, and Minthara is still buggier than a New York city apartment...She is clearly the designated "evil chick" route. But you can't even go full evil with her. If you actually try dominating the Absolute like she wants, she just becomes your personal meat puppet like everyone else on Faerun. But if you decide to eschew that option at the last second...

"Dyrge, why didn't you dominate the brain? Come on man!"

"Er....'iunno, just seemed like a bad idea at the time. lolomgwtfbbq"

"Meh, whatever. Let's go slaughter the Drow the in the Underdark and grab some brewskies while we're at it!"

~Fin

[Crusader993]

The idiotic implementation of Minthara has been discussed here in the Steam forum for months, and we just talked about it again yesterday. ;)

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/4342103279868483295/

Everything related to Minthara is "dumb" because Larian hasn't fully implemented this character. There's a lot of content/quests missing, especially in Acts 2 and 3, and a lot of the rest doesn't make sense.

Unfortunately, one is increasingly getting the impression that Larian no longer wants to implement the missing content for Minthara. Kisses and other knickknack seem to be more important...

[76561198056374986]

Thank God, then it's not just me.

[seeker1]

No, it's not just you. I liked the romance ending. The journey was convoluted and bugged. Of course, I accepted I was locked out of her infamous Act 1 scene; that I expected.

The situation is improving post-Patch 6. Prior to that, when I did it, you couldn't even ask her for a kiss, like other female companions. (I know people keep knocking Larian for improving the other companions' kiss animations -- my point is, before Patch 6, Minthara had NONE.)

[Larry]

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character. We've known since the very beginning that a lot of her dialogue and subplot were pretty much canned despite being in the game. As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield. It's possible it was removed or not completed because it wasn't "inclusive" an option as you'd have to be straight to want to experience the content and as a gay character you wouldn't be able to pursue it short of brute forcing it.

It's a shame but a lot of this stuff seemed to be axed late in development and a B team brought in to make adjustments and changes to characters and stories as is evident by the fact Act 3 takes a nose dive in quality and every character ends up being gay, bisexual or lesbian.

[DragonSoundxSG]

Yes its bad considering she isn't even full evil

[droggen]

Originally posted by Larry:

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character. We've known since the very beginning that a lot of her dialogue and subplot were pretty much canned despite being in the game. As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield. It's possible it was removed or not completed because it wasn't "inclusive" an option as you'd have to be straight to want to experience the content and as a gay character you wouldn't be able to pursue it short of brute forcing it.

It's a shame but a lot of this stuff seemed to be axed late in development and a B team brought in to make adjustments and changes to characters and stories as is evident by the fact Act 3 takes a nose dive in quality and every character ends up being gay, bisexual or lesbian.

Not really putting out any proof of this, That said I did notice a rather large spike of woke stuff and other agendas rearing its ugly head in act 3.

[seeker1]

Originally posted by Larry:

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character.

Weeeeellll .... actually, in the lore, for decades, Drow are canonically bisexual ... it's a matriarchal culture, so powerful female leaders form alliances by, well, you know ....

As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield.

I too have stumbled across evidence of a pregnancy being in the scripts/files. However, here's the question. If it was supposed to be a male Tav getting her pregnant, how on Earth would she be showing so quickly after being knocked up in Act 1? Unless drow gestation is on hyperspeed, there is no way in the timeframe of the game (every LR is basically supposed to be one day/night ... ) a pregnancy could already be showing ....

Bottom line: nobody knows exactly why that storyline was scrapped, OR was supposed to play out.

as is evident by the fact Act 3 takes a nose dive in quality and every character ends up being gay, bisexual or lesbian.

Yeah, here comes my contrary take: for me, Act 3 is the BEST part of the game, hands down.... and BTW, I wasn't here for Early Access, but folks who WERE say it was announced early on all companions would be playersexual.

[Woldy]

Originally posted by droggen:

Originally posted by Larry:

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character. We've known since the very beginning that a lot of her dialogue and subplot were pretty much canned despite being in the game. As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield. It's possible it was removed or not completed because it wasn't "inclusive" an option as you'd have to be straight to want to experience the content and as a gay character you wouldn't be able to pursue it short of brute forcing it.

It's a shame but a lot of this stuff seemed to be axed late in development and a B team brought in to make adjustments and changes to characters and stories as is evident by the fact Act 3 takes a nose dive in quality and every character ends up being gay, bisexual or lesbian.

Not really putting out any proof of this, That said I did notice a rather large spike of woke stuff and other agendas rearing its ugly head in act 3.

you can find dialogue files that indicate that the player would get minthara pregnant.

[Woldy]

Originally posted by seeker1:

Originally posted by Larry:

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character.

Weeeeellll .... actually, in the lore, for decades, Drow are canonically bisexual ... it's a matriarchal culture, so powerful female leaders form alliances by, well, you know ....

As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield.

I too have stumbled across evidence of a pregnancy being in the scripts/files. However, here's the question. If it was supposed to be a male Tav getting her pregnant, how on Earth would she be showing so quickly after being knocked up in Act 1? Unless drow gestation is on hyperspeed, there is no way in the timeframe of the game (every LR is basically supposed to be one day/night ... ) a pregnancy could already be showing ....

Bottom line: nobody knows exactly why that storyline was scrapped, OR was supposed to play out.

as is evident by the fact Act 3 takes a nose dive in quality and every character ends up being gay, bisexual or lesbian.

Yeah, here comes my contrary take: for me, Act 3 is the BEST part of the game, hands down.... and BTW, I wasn't here for Early Access, but folks who WERE say it was announced early on all companions would be playersexual.

Maybe she didn't need to show physcially, maybe there were the other signs.
Missing period, nausea, Cranky (as if minthara could get any worse).

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by 影沼:

Barring the fact that it is 2024, and Minthara is still buggier than a New York city apartment...She is clearly the designated "evil chick" route. But you can't even go full evil with her. If you actually try dominating the Absolute like she wants, she just becomes your personal meat puppet like everyone else on Faerun.

Seem to recall Patch 6 changed that. If you're romancing her and dominate the brain, you leave her free to stand by your side willingly.

Originally posted by Larry:

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character. We've known since the very beginning that a lot of her dialogue and subplot were pretty much canned despite being in the game. As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield. It's possible it was removed or not completed because it wasn't "inclusive" an option as you'd have to be straight to want to experience the content and as a gay character you wouldn't be able to pursue it short of brute forcing it.

The ♥♥♥♥ did you get this stupid ♥♥♥♥ idea from? Literally no one thinks it's "not inclusive" for a character to be able to get pregnant. Stop blaming everything you don't like on "woke".

Also she was never designed as a heterosexual character. Nor does whether or not she can get pregnant have ANY bearing on whether she's a "sensible" heterosexual character.

Just stop, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

Originally posted by Larry:

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character. We've known since the very beginning that a lot of her dialogue and subplot were pretty much canned despite being in the game. As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield. It's possible it was removed or not completed because it wasn't "inclusive" an option as you'd have to be straight to want to experience the content and as a gay character you wouldn't be able to pursue it short of brute forcing it.

The ♥♥♥♥ did you get this stupid ♥♥♥♥ idea from? Literally no one thinks it's "not inclusive" for a character to be able to get pregnant. Stop blaming everything you don't like on "woke".

Also she was never designed as a heterosexual character. Nor does whether or not she can get pregnant have ANY bearing on whether she's a "sensible" heterosexual character.

Just stop, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

But how else is he supposed to pretend there's a conspiracy against straight men?

[Woldy]

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

Originally posted by 影沼:

Barring the fact that it is 2024, and Minthara is still buggier than a New York city apartment...She is clearly the designated "evil chick" route. But you can't even go full evil with her. If you actually try dominating the Absolute like she wants, she just becomes your personal meat puppet like everyone else on Faerun.

Seem to recall Patch 6 changed that. If you're romancing her and dominate the brain, you leave her free to stand by your side willingly.

Originally posted by Larry:

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character. We've known since the very beginning that a lot of her dialogue and subplot were pretty much canned despite being in the game. As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield. It's possible it was removed or not completed because it wasn't "inclusive" an option as you'd have to be straight to want to experience the content and as a gay character you wouldn't be able to pursue it short of brute forcing it.

The ♥♥♥♥ did you get this stupid ♥♥♥♥ idea from? Literally no one thinks it's "not inclusive" for a character to be able to get pregnant. Stop blaming everything you don't like on "woke".

Also she was never designed as a heterosexual character. Nor does whether or not she can get pregnant have ANY bearing on whether she's a "sensible" heterosexual character.

Just stop, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

not related to the topic at hand but... "You're embarresing yourself".

Said the furry.

[Larry]

Originally posted by seeker1:

Originally posted by Larry:

Minthara was all but axed because she was the only character that would be have been the only sensible heterosexual character.

Weeeeellll .... actually, in the lore, for decades, Drow are canonically bisexual ... it's a matriarchal culture, so powerful female leaders form alliances by, well, you know ....

Where are they canonically bisexual? That's not written in the lore. The only thing it says is that they use sex as a way to manipulate and for power. The only other thing they say, even in modern lore, is that they only tolerate homosexuality - but no mention of bisexuality - however it's uncommon to not be in a monogamous heterosexual relationship given their society and how men are, basically, slaves to women and used more as a status symbol than anything else(The argument being there is far fewer men in Drow society than there are women and their society is run by a Matriarchy where only the ultra powerful women can take advantage of multiple male sex partners). Even lore states that the poor Drow women "rent" out men to have children while the middle class and upper class are married to men because they can afford it.

As a romance you could get her pregnant which only a straight relationship could yield.

I too have stumbled across evidence of a pregnancy being in the scripts/files. However, here's the question. If it was supposed to be a male Tav getting her pregnant, how on Earth would she be showing so quickly after being knocked up in Act 1? Unless drow gestation is on hyperspeed, there is no way in the timeframe of the game (every LR is basically supposed to be one day/night ... ) a pregnancy could already be showing ....

Bottom line: nobody knows exactly why that storyline was scrapped, OR was supposed to play out.

We really don't know exactly how and when it would happen for the reason you've stated but we know for a fact it was supposed to happen or at least be an option to happen. It could have been in the epilogue(Likely) where it was unveiled that the character had a child with Minthara and everyone comments on it.

as is evident by the fact Act 3 takes a nose dive in quality and every character ends up being gay, bisexual or lesbian.

Yeah, here comes my contrary take: for me, Act 3 is the BEST part of the game, hands down.... and BTW, I wasn't here for Early Access, but folks who WERE say it was announced early on all companions would be playersexual.

At the end of the day it's subjective but I think we could agree that it takes a turn in flow and direction by Act 3 compared to Acts 1 and 2(Duh, considering it takes place in a city and is primarily in a safe cityscape for the most part as opposed to the dangerous open areas seen in Act 1 and Act 2).

The only thing I will say is a lot of people who complain about the game complain about Act 3. I'm one of them. Act 1 and Act 2 were really good but Act 3 was just a nose dive. Writing became worse, options became worse, narrative flow became worse and the map was very cluttered(Can't be helped in fairness given it's a city). It pretty much killed the game for me at that point.

And by every character being LGB in Act 3 I mean literally every noteworthy character, not necessarily the companions. The bigger issue is it's in Act 3 where all companions cease being "playersexual" and are firmly in the realm of "bisexual". As in they all have a clear indication that they are open to both sexes in their sexual preferences. Halsin we knew from the start - it was very up front. Minthara isn't but again, this is the reason for this conversation. Even Shadowheart ends up being at least blatantly bisexual given toward the end of her quest you find out she had a girlfriend before she had her memory wiped! The only characters that aren't LGB are those who were very firmly straight such as Ketheric Thorm.

[Larry]

Originally posted by Woldy:

Originally posted by seeker1:

Weeeeellll .... actually, in the lore, for decades, Drow are canonically bisexual ... it's a matriarchal culture, so powerful female leaders form alliances by, well, you know ....



I too have stumbled across evidence of a pregnancy being in the scripts/files. However, here's the question. If it was supposed to be a male Tav getting her pregnant, how on Earth would she be showing so quickly after being knocked up in Act 1? Unless drow gestation is on hyperspeed, there is no way in the timeframe of the game (every LR is basically supposed to be one day/night ... ) a pregnancy could already be showing ....

Bottom line: nobody knows exactly why that storyline was scrapped, OR was supposed to play out.



Yeah, here comes my contrary take: for me, Act 3 is the BEST part of the game, hands down.... and BTW, I wasn't here for Early Access, but folks who WERE say it was announced early on all companions would be playersexual.

Maybe she didn't need to show physcially, maybe there were the other signs.
Missing period, nausea, Cranky (as if minthara could get any worse).

Yeah, she announces it. The text is basically the companions talking about her being pregnant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z8WXh0qr7c

[Brian_the_Brute]

What's wrong is Gale gets the crown and godhood by default rather than TAV and Minthara to have the happy LE ending.