Minthara Romance

[Totalmage56]

Did they ever fix it, i know they said they did in a previous patch but i havent noticed any changes is there something im missing by chance?

[Smerk]

Just had a saucy scene with her on Xbox. Not sure what exactly you're referring to but.. Wyll was not happy. [/spoiler[

[Dizzy Ladybug]

Originally posted by Smerk:

Just had a saucy scene with her on Xbox.

which scene was that? at the Goblin party?

[Smerk]

Yeah the after party, after the grove conclusion

[elite barbarian]

Unfortunately, Mintara remains the most undeveloped character... We sacrifice Will and Karlach to recruit her, and this is a lot of content, and we get the most broken companion without a quest, with a poorly developed plot and with a small amount of dialogue... For those whoever says that she can be knocked out and recruited is all complete nonsense, because her story simply breaks down at this point and her plot, which is already broken, becomes even more illogical. Patch 6 came out, the Larians gave her a new epilogue, but they broke her even more, she now talks about the Emperor and Orpheus all the time (they haven’t been able to fix this for 2 fixes). Why does she need a new epilogue or kisses if everything is still very bad.... They haven’t wanted to do anything with her for over a year now, instead of a separate branch they are adding ways to cut her down, they don’t want to fix it... I really like Mintara and it’s a shame that the Larians don’t want to do anything with her, she is still the most deprived and a broken company...

[Crusader993]

@ Icelanced

I completely agree with your comment.

It actually seems like Larian doesn't want to implement the missing content for Minthara. :(

Unfortunately, examples like Minthara's show quite clearly that BG3 was released at least a year too early. (I don't even want to talk about the upper city here.)

Personally, I also suspect that Minthara doesn't really fit the political agenda and was therefore deliberately implemented in such a way that the price (loss of content) is simply too high for many people to choose the "evil side". It is not for nothing that the Tieflings are presented to us as unfortunate refugees, as victims worth saving who need to be protected from expulsion and death. A Minthara obviously doesn't really fit into the politically correct concept...

[elite barbarian]

Originally posted by Crusader993:

@ Icelanced

I completely agree with your comment.

It actually seems like Larian doesn't want to implement the missing content for Minthara. :(

Unfortunately, examples like Minthara's show quite clearly that BG3 was released at least a year too early. (I don't even want to talk about the upper city here.)

Personally, I also suspect that Minthara doesn't really fit the political agenda and was therefore deliberately implemented in such a way that the price (loss of content) is simply too high for many people to choose the "evil side". It is not for nothing that the Tieflings are presented to us as unfortunate refugees, as victims worth saving who need to be protected from expulsion and death. A Minthara obviously doesn't really fit into the politically correct concept...

Well, I won’t say anything about politics, but in my first playthrough it seemed logical to sacrifice tieflings in order to save more people. About the upper city - I completely agree, in principle I don’t really like the implementation of Act 3, somehow everything is too mixed up and straightforward (not to mention the problem with experience, of which there is too much). I hope that the Larians will come to their senses and make Minthara a full-fledged companion, with his own quest, a completed story and full-fledged dialogues...

[Crusader993]

Originally posted by Icelanced:

Well, I won’t say anything about politics, but in my first playthrough it seemed logical to sacrifice tieflings in order to save more people.

Unfortunately, Larian didn't really understand what makes a role-playing game a role-playing game.

Basically, it's perfectly fine to lose 2 companions if you choose Minthara's side, but not the way Larian implemented it.

Both paths must always be open to the role player (good and evil), and they must be equally valid. Compensation is required. If we lose 2 companions as an evil MC, we need to compensate accordingly, for example by gaining access to 2 evil companions or by having other content/quests to discover. This is the only way to ensure that as a role player you can play a good and an evil MC without being pushed in a certain direction by the developers...

[elite barbarian]

Originally posted by Crusader993:

Originally posted by Icelanced:

Well, I won’t say anything about politics, but in my first playthrough it seemed logical to sacrifice tieflings in order to save more people.

Unfortunately, Larian didn't really understand what makes a role-playing game a role-playing game.

Basically, it's perfectly fine to lose 2 companions if you choose Minthara's side, but not the way Larian implemented it.

Both paths must always be open to the role player (good and evil), and they must be equally valid. Compensation is required. If we lose 2 companions as an evil MC, we need to compensate accordingly, for example by gaining access to 2 evil companions or by having other content/quests to discover. This is the only way to ensure that as a role player you can play a good and an evil MC without being pushed in a certain direction by the developers...

I would like to agree, but with a small amendment: We are losing 2 companions, and this is a lot. Since we have chosen this path, Mintara should contain approximately the same amount of content as these two combined. But what do we get in the end?) She has even less content than Will (and he doesn’t have much of it either). It's very annoying that they try to open it up somehow, but then they just cut it all off. Regarding her recruitment in a “good” playthrough - complete nonsense, if you are going to do this, then it needs to be done normally, and not just knocked out, robbed her, and then she stands naked in the lunar towers, and her story in further dialogues contradicts to yourself. Is it really difficult for such a large studio to make a truly well-developed branch? Or they just like to change every patch the way to knock her out, and not work out her plot at least somehow, given the fact that in every corner they are shouting about it...

[Crusader993]

Personally, I suspect that the majority of the developers at Larian are already working on the new game. I haven't completely given up hope yet, but to be honest I would be surprised if Larian put the topic of Minthara on the agenda again. But as we all know, hope dies last...

[elite barbarian]

Originally posted by Crusader993:

Personally, I suspect that the majority of the developers at Larian are already working on the new game. I haven't completely given up hope yet, but to be honest I would be surprised if Larian put the topic of Minthara on the agenda again. But as we all know, hope dies last...

I completely agree, let's wait and hope. Maybe they'll do something...

[Occasum_Solis]

Originally posted by Icelanced:

Unfortunately, Mintara remains the most undeveloped character... We sacrifice Will and Karlach to recruit her, and this is a lot of content, and we get the most broken companion without a quest, with a poorly developed plot and with a small amount of dialogue... For those whoever says that she can be knocked out and recruited is all complete nonsense, because her story simply breaks down at this point and her plot, which is already broken, becomes even more illogical. Patch 6 came out, the Larians gave her a new epilogue, but they broke her even more, she now talks about the Emperor and Orpheus all the time (they haven’t been able to fix this for 2 fixes). Why does she need a new epilogue or kisses if everything is still very bad.... They haven’t wanted to do anything with her for over a year now, instead of a separate branch they are adding ways to cut her down, they don’t want to fix it... I really like Mintara and it’s a shame that the Larians don’t want to do anything with her, she is still the most deprived and a broken company...

Patch 5 Minthara Ending is quite nice and satisfying, however its very straight forward and if you choose some different answers the reactions from other companions/her wont make much sense..

[elite barbarian]

Originally posted by The_Guy:

Originally posted by Icelanced:

Unfortunately, Mintara remains the most undeveloped character... We sacrifice Will and Karlach to recruit her, and this is a lot of content, and we get the most broken companion without a quest, with a poorly developed plot and with a small amount of dialogue... For those whoever says that she can be knocked out and recruited is all complete nonsense, because her story simply breaks down at this point and her plot, which is already broken, becomes even more illogical. Patch 6 came out, the Larians gave her a new epilogue, but they broke her even more, she now talks about the Emperor and Orpheus all the time (they haven’t been able to fix this for 2 fixes). Why does she need a new epilogue or kisses if everything is still very bad.... They haven’t wanted to do anything with her for over a year now, instead of a separate branch they are adding ways to cut her down, they don’t want to fix it... I really like Mintara and it’s a shame that the Larians don’t want to do anything with her, she is still the most deprived and a broken company...

Patch 5 Minthara Ending is quite nice and satisfying, however its very straight forward and if you choose some different answers the reactions from other companions/her wont make much sense..

The ending is good, but what about her story as a whole? She’s just unfinished, empty, torn... She doesn’t have her own quest, there are many times fewer dialogues than other companions... Here you need to understand my message, I don’t hate Mintara, on the contrary, I really like her and I’m sorry that Larians likes her doesn't matter...

[HouseOfTheRat]

Originally posted by Totalmage56:

Did they ever fix it, i know they said they did in a previous patch but i havent noticed any changes is there something im missing by chance?

Nope.

[seeker1]

It's improving in baby steps. She now has a kissing animation, like other companions. Before Patch 6, she had none (at least none you could ask her for in camp). They gave her a romance epilogue as well as the basic ending. Unfortunately, Patch 6 still doesn't seem to be making her keep a broken promise to visit the player at night in Act 3, even if they acquired her the "good way". And some other parts of her romance dialogue still look broken.

Some day they will "fix" Minthara completely. Meaning, make her acquisition on a "good" run make sense. Finish her romance. Make her coexistence with Halsin in camp make sense. Give her all the appropriate dialogue in camp that isn't out of sequence. I think they originally only wrote her to be the perfect partner for an unrepentant Durge. Now that they've opened up acquisition to other characters, they really do need to "finish" her.

It would be really cool if she had a personal quest or something to "do" in Act 3. Like maybe deal with some Drow assassins from her mother's house that are looking for her in the city. Something like that. Ehhh, maybe one day there'll be a mod.

[Sheva]

Minthara is already one of my fav companions. Second to lae'zel. She already has some great dialogue. Its a shame they didnt fully flesh her out the way they did with the others. So much potential