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MikeTV145 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 5:44
Bard build help (for a complete beginner)
My friend and I have been slowly making our way through BG3 and absolutely loving it. Due to family/work responsibilities, we usually only get to eke out two 3-hour sessions a week (and it's not likely to increase any time soon) so it's been a slow road through act 1.

I'm trying to find a good bard build for our specific roleplay dynamic. He's a pretty powerful melee barbarian, and my character is more of the talker/negotiator within discussion and story settings. The problem is, I originally went with College of Valour for my subclass and I am getting decimated regularly in combat.

I'm trying to find a good mix of high charisma and usefulness in a fight with someone who is already our main tank/damage dealer. Any ideas on what would be a good support bard for me to respec? As mentioned above, the limited amount of playtime means my time to extensively research builds is also hard to come by. I'm not super familiar with the minutia and small details for a game of this scope, so I'm hoping someone might have a "Bards For Dummies"-esque answer.

Thanks!
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MikeTV145 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 6:02 
引用自 󠀡󠀡
Multiclass or monoclass?
I prefer multiclass, I’m thinking…if only to add a little more versatility to the mix.
Detective Costeau 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 6:24 
Really depends on what you're going to do with it.

One of my favorite Bard muticlass options is 2 levels in paladin followed by 10 levels in Swords bard for a fun melee build.
You still get access to level 6 spells despite multiclassing because paladins are half-casters, you get way more spell slots for the Paladin's Divine Smite from your Bard levels, and you get all of the bard crowd control magic plus the Swords Bard's flourishes for extra melee power. I don't know if it's the most powerful bard setup, but it's very fun and more than powerful enough to get through the game on Balanced or Tactician with.
♂Warrior of Gachi♂ 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 6:35 
引用自 Detective Costeau
Really depends on what you're going to do with it.

One of my favorite Bard muticlass options is 2 levels in paladin followed by 10 levels in Swords bard for a fun melee build.
You still get access to level 6 spells despite multiclassing because paladins are half-casters, you get way more spell slots for the Paladin's Divine Smite from your Bard levels, and you get all of the bard crowd control magic plus the Swords Bard's flourishes for extra melee power. I don't know if it's the most powerful bard setup, but it's very fun and more than powerful enough to get through the game on Balanced or Tactician with.

I think going Bard 6 -> Paladin 2 is better, since you get your second attack in Act 1 vs Act 2. Otherwise this multi is completely broken and is the jack of all trades and master of all.
Detective Costeau 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 6:37 
引用自 ♂PUDGUS♂

I think going Bard 6 -> Paladin 2 is better, since you get your second attack in Act 1 vs Act 2. Otherwise this multi is completely broken and is the jack of all trades and master of all.
That's actually a fair point, yes.
I still like to get at least 1 paladin level relatively early so I access to the dialog options for RP purposes, but that's got nothing to do with putting the build together in an optimal way.
最后由 Detective Costeau 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 6:52
Steffan 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 6:52 
I am a big fan of valor bards. They work best as a multiclass.

I am slightly surprised a valor bard, which is one of the tankier bards gets easily destroyed in combat. You might get some gear or you might consider at least 1 level in sorcerer (for the shield spell). Personally I would suggest 1 increase of stats, the alert feat (because it is great) and a multiclass. It does not matter if the said bard will have 16 or 18 charisma/ dex/strength for example; the difference is small and there are plenty of ways to increase the DC of your saves.

A build I have tried in my succesful honor run was 6 lvl draconic sorcerer and 6 lvl valor bard. I increase my bard's strength to 18 and acquired some gloves that boost the dex a bit. THe Char remained at 16. The metamagic feats I got were distant, twinned and quicken. At 12 level the said bard was tanky enough having shield (piece of armor) and the shield spell and quite decent armor. He could cast some quite destructive evocation spells (most useful spells for me are up to 3rd level). And at the same time, he had the capacity to attack twice with weapon attacks as an attack action. And there were also the bardic inspirations that can turn a hit into a miss (against a friend) or the other way round against an enemy

Of course, you can also go for 10 valor bard and 2 lvls of sorcerer (you stll get two metamagic) and spells such as shield, magic missile and false life.

I like to have a paladin in the party but I do not like playing as one. I find them too restrictive due to their oaths.

最后由 Steffan 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 6:58
MystShade 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 8:05 
dual hand crossbow carried my bard all game, with sharpshooter feat and cull the weak my spell-book was mostly rituals and support spells.
there is a nice bard sword to be found in the underdark to help from mid range.

I wouldn't recommend melee bard early game as light/medium armor are pretty trash in act 1 but if this is what you are looking for, consider lv3 sword bard/fighter battlemaster for some riposte and extra feats.
Detective Costeau 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 8:08 
引用自 MystShade
dual hand crossbow carried my bard all game, with sharpshooter feat and cull the weak
I wouldn't recommend melee bard early game as light/medium armor are pretty trash in act 1 but if this is what you are looking for, consider lv3 sword bard/fighter battlemaster for some riposte and extra feats.

I've got to disagree about medium armor here- I've used characters with medium armor and 14 dex as my primary front-line characters throughout Act 1 on both Balanced and Tactician and it works fine.
最后由 Detective Costeau 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 8:08
alanc9 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 10:05 
引用自 Detective Costeau
Really depends on what you're going to do with it.

One of my favorite Bard muticlass options is 2 levels in paladin followed by 10 levels in Swords bard for a fun melee build.
You still get access to level 6 spells despite multiclassing because paladins are half-casters, you get way more spell slots for the Paladin's Divine Smite from your Bard levels, and you get all of the bard crowd control magic plus the Swords Bard's flourishes for extra melee power. I don't know if it's the most powerful bard setup, but it's very fun and more than powerful enough to get through the game on Balanced or Tactician with.

Interesting. I thought you got a 6th level slot, but couldn't learn the spells because you never get to B11. The slot is still useful for upcasting, and it looks to me like the 6th level bard spells repeat effects you can get at lower levels.

I'm playing this right now and it's a blast, yeah. Currently P2/ B8. I'm considering going to P4. The upside is getting a feat, which I would probably use to pump DEX even more. The downside is slightly worse inspiration and no non-bard spells.
♂Warrior of Gachi♂ 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 10:14 
引用自 alanc9
Interesting. I thought you got a 6th level slot, but couldn't learn the spells because you never get to B11.

You are correct, you don't get to learn lvl 6 spells, you'll just have a spell slot of 6th level.
最后由 ♂Warrior of Gachi♂ 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 10:15
alanc9 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 10:16 
引用自 ♂PUDGUS♂

I think going Bard 6 -> Paladin 2 is better, since you get your second attack in Act 1 vs Act 2. Otherwise this multi is completely broken and is the jack of all trades and master of all.

Plus that mystic item in Act 3 which turns the brokenness up to 11.

Pure swords bard didn't strike me as weak anyway. I went B8 then P2 for RP reasons after my bard suffered a devastating failure. She realized that the job isn't about having fun and bamboozling enemies; it's about smiting the crap out of people like Marcus before they can do any harm.
alanc9 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 10:30 
We should probably talk stats and feats. For swords bard I'd go DEX over CHA, since you'll be taking more attack actions than casting actions. Maybe reverse that for other subclasses. Good CON too. Dump STR. Lower INT and WIS will hurt some checks in dialogue, but this matters less in the later game as Proficiency gets higher.

If you're going to be doing a lot of ranged combat. I'd take Sharpshooter. Easily hitting enemies on heights is very useful, and the option for +10 damage is great when your hit chance is high.
最后由 alanc9 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 8 日 上午 10:30
[TG] zac 2024 年 6 月 8 日 下午 12:16 
Focus dex followed closely by Charisma then go duel wield fighting style Swords bard to at least level 6, grab hand crossbows and get the sharpshooter feat.
(act 2 and 3 have a couple really good hand cross bows as well, keep an eye out for em, you can also get several unenchanted or +1 hand crossbows in act one, just be sure to check venders as well as drops)

After that grab rogue for 3 levels and go into thief for the extra bonus action so you can shoot yet again with off hand.
After that you should have 3 levels left to use as you wish.
You could put another 1 into thief and 2 into bard to grab some more feats and spell slots or you could grab bounty hunter ranger to grab some spell slots & archery fighting style.
Or you could throw them into fighter to grab archery fighting style and action surge.
Or you could grab paladin for smites if things get too close. (ancients paladin also gets the ensnaring strike bonus action spell which is amazing)

Your first turn of combat should either be focusing on nuking a hard target, or laying out some CC or aoe & shooting a few off hand shots with the hand crossbow.
Second turn should be basically spent single target nuking everything you can.

It ends up being a very flexible build.
最后由 [TG] zac 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 8 日 下午 12:18
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