In BG3, everyone can cast a spell...

[Jaeleth]

... As long as they read and speak Latin... 😁

So we have an incredible literacy level in the sword coast. After a hard day's hacking and slashing work, barbarians, fighters, rogues... Everyone lights the candle and studies that latin grammar hard... te curum, evanescum, magic for the non scholar, as long as they can read latin...

[EASY PETE]

IGNIS

[Detective Costeau]

If you really don't like non-spellcasters being able to use scrolls, you could always just not use them with those characters, no?

[seeker1]

Rogues were always very literate. Even back in 2E and 3E they had the ability to read and decipher other languages, and read scrolls and use magic items. You often need to read up on the mansion you're gonna rob, and figure out how to sneak past the guards and traps ...

Anyway, in case you're wondering, here's the Latin spellcasters often recite when they are chanting their spells, and its translation ....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vR0CEFejEO-3EU9-g6attwTHewRbD_cOz-LgslXw_AzgPUvTvbTfAOE-WPo5qJ6UmpCK1mtXxQowE-Y/pubhtml#

[EricHVela]

While it's not 5e 2014 rules, it is common video game rules where players expect scrolls to be used by anyone. This is one of those things where there was a deliberate shift to video game rules.

Try as one might, the only way to have a digital tabletop experience similar to a real tabletop experience is to have a Human DM and not a digital or even so-called "AI" DM. Video games must give over to video game rules at some point to appeal to videogamers.

[harken23]

Detective Costeau lähetti viestin:

If you really don't like non-spellcasters being able to use scrolls, you could always just not use them with those characters, no?

Sure, but the game is balanced around EVERYONE being able to cast Fireball at will, if they have a scroll. It's totally do-able, but it definitely hamstrings you vs the way the game is constructed. In the Pathfinder games, they limit who can cast from scrolls, and it makes more sense (and the game is balanced accordingly).

[Popsicles]

I never use scrolls. I think I have a few hundred of them in my inventory.

Total cheese to rely on them by a non Wizard or rogue class.

Proper D&D would never allow it. I don't care if it's a video game.

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

EricHVela lähetti viestin:

While it's not 5e 2014 rules, it is common video game rules where players expect scrolls to be used by anyone. This is one of those things where there was a deliberate shift to video game rules.

Try as one might, the only way to have a digital tabletop experience similar to a real tabletop experience is to have a Human DM and not a digital or even so-called "AI" DM. Video games must give over to video game rules at some point to appeal to videogamers.

And it was completely unnecessary and made the game even easier. It is not so hard for an average "gamer" to comprehend that some items are unusable by some classes, that's how armor and weapon proficiencies work already.

This doesn't appeal to "videogamers", it appeals to people who haven't played a videogame in their lives.

There were some changes to make from the PnP version, but this one was meaningless and made an already easy game based on a very easy system even easier and simpler.

[causality]

What stops a martial class from being a scholar? These aren't mutually exclusive in the real or fictional fantasy world. Now in 2e my sorcerer was dumb and couldn't read scrolls but could cast high level spells.

[seeker1]

Rogues can read scrolls in RAW 5E but only after they gain Use Magic Device at 13th level. Of course, without mods, in BG3, they can't get to level 13. (That same ability also lets them use things like magic wands, which really basically aren't in BG3.)

This guy has an interesting take on these limitations.
https://harvey.thewrightspot.co.uk/blog/5e-rules/who-can-use-spell-scrolls-in-dnd-5e/

I kinda agree with his thinking. It should be difficult to use scrolls for non casters and require a difficulty check. The lower your INT and the higher the level of the spell vs. your level, the harder the scroll should be to read.

The only other thing that should be the case is a non caster should be less effective with a spell from a scroll than a caster ... and BG3 pretty much makes that the case. As a non caster won't have bonuses or modifiers a caster would.

[Detective Costeau]

harken23 lähetti viestin:

Sure, but the game is balanced around EVERYONE being able to cast Fireball at will, if they have a scroll. It's totally do-able, but it definitely hamstrings you vs the way the game is constructed. In the Pathfinder games, they limit who can cast from scrolls, and it makes more sense (and the game is balanced accordingly).

I've beaten the game on both Balanced and Tactician without ever using a scroll on a non-caster. I never felt especially hamstrung. Hell, I didn't even know it was possible during my first run, I never even thought to try doing it.
It feels less like something the game is balanced around and more like something you can do if you want to *really* break the game, honestly.

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

The game wasn't balanced around anything. They just removed almost all restrictions without a thought and that was that. Everyone can multiclass into everything, everyone can use scrolls, tons of items with free spells, everything is a bonus action, etc.

They wanted to make the game as accessible as possible to people who have never seen a videogame in their life, and they did. Balance - I hardly know her.

[alanc9]

In practice, this is too expensive for my tastes anyway.

[Kal]

Thats kinda funny. I dont allow my non spell based toons to use scrolls at all. I give Gale all the scrolls so he can learn them if we got the extra cash. I give out potions to all my toons. The potions that class is most likely to use in battle. My melee classes got better, more reliable damage effects then magic.

[super_jqp]

Latin? Half the spells are in modern day Spanish.

[Jaeleth]

super_jqp lähetti viestin:

Latin? Half the spells are in modern day Spanish.

I noticed latin so far only (that I understood), but your observation is interesting, give me an example. If you can't spell it, just tell me which spell it is and I'll listen harder the next time i hear it :)