Emperor... I want you no good

[Ababinili]

Well, 1st of all i don't care you sharing spoilers.

I'm in act 3, in the lower city. To give an idea, i've a big portion of the map explored and I just killed Raphael. I did not go to the Bhaal's temple and the sewers yet.

To the point: The emperor has revealed itself as a idiot. Well, he ALREADY was a big, big idiot, but now went worse. I'm his puppet and so and so.

Someone can tell if i will be able to personally kill him??

[RollerPig]

Emperor is a conniving ♥♥♥♥♥, I free Orpheous everytime just so I can kill him

[Vox Maximus]

Of course he's manipulating. What else would illithid named Emperor do? He's an as obvious manipulator as Raphael. And that's why you get to choose between Emperor and Orpheus.

[Chadwick Strongpants]

Originally posted by Vox Maximus:

Of course he's manipulating. What else would illithid named Emperor do? He's an as obvious manipulator as Raphael.

Okay, but what else was he supposed to do? He's a rare mindflayer with his free will intact, and at least somewhat of a moral compass. Tav never would have trusted him had he appeared in his dreams in his normal form. And that's not even mentioning the fact that mind flayers are pretty much killed on sight.

I think his shadiness and manipulation are more out of necessity rather than malice. It's not like he can simply walk around and be like, "Salutations, it's me, your friendly neighborhood mindflayer." Doing so would be equal to commit voluntary suicide.

[Kappa]

Originally posted by Chadwick Strongpants:

Originally posted by Vox Maximus:

Of course he's manipulating. What else would illithid named Emperor do? He's an as obvious manipulator as Raphael.

Okay, but what else was he supposed to do? He's a rare mindflayer with his free will intact, and at least somewhat of a moral compass. Tav never would have trusted him had he appeared in his dreams in his normal form. And that's not even mentioning the fact that mind flayers are pretty much killed on sight.

That’s not true.
Or, to be more specific, it would have been up to the player ( players/tabs are different from each other ).

Or else, a tav would have not joined ( or killed in some cases ) all their origin buddies right away ( a vampire trying to suck their blood on their sleep, a gith trying to slice their throat, a follower of shar, a couple servants of hell, etc… ).

The mindflyer played smart, but if they had been more honest everything would have ended up running more smoothly.

[Chadwick Strongpants]

Originally posted by Kappa:

Originally posted by Chadwick Strongpants:

Okay, but what else was he supposed to do? He's a rare mindflayer with his free will intact, and at least somewhat of a moral compass. Tav never would have trusted him had he appeared in his dreams in his normal form. And that's not even mentioning the fact that mind flayers are pretty much killed on sight.

That’s not true.
Or, to be more specific, it would have been up to the player ( players/tabs are different from each other ).

Or else, a tav would have not joined ( or killed in some cases ) all their origin buddies right away ( a vampire trying to suck their blood on their sleep, a gith trying to slice their throat, a follower of shar, a couple servants of hell, etc… ).

The mindflyer played smart, but if they had been more honest everything would have ended up running more smoothly.

Tav got abducted by a mind flayer ship, had the rather traumatic experience of having a parasitc worm planted in his skull (through his eye, I might add), and dreaded for several days the almost certain fact that he would turn into one. What possible reason could he have to trust him, other than meta game knowledge?

Because see, we, the players, know, since we've finished the game and know all the whole plot. If Tav were a real person, he would have every reason to gut the Emperor for the mere reason of existing.

[Kappa]

Originally posted by Chadwick Strongpants:

Originally posted by Kappa:

That’s not true.
Or, to be more specific, it would have been up to the player ( players/tabs are different from each other ).

Or else, a tav would have not joined ( or killed in some cases ) all their origin buddies right away ( a vampire trying to suck their blood on their sleep, a gith trying to slice their throat, a follower of shar, a couple servants of hell, etc… ).

The mindflyer played smart, but if they had been more honest everything would have ended up running more smoothly.

Tav got abducted by a mind flayer ship, had the rather traumatic experience of having a parasitc worm planted in his skull (through his eye, I might add), and dreaded for several days the almost certain fact that he would turn into one. What possible reason could he have to trust him, other than meta game knowledge?

The fact that if the emperor would have revealed themselves asap the tav wouldn’t have considered them as an ally.

The fact there’s proof the prism prevents them from being affected by the absolute.

Finally, what reason might there be behind the mind flyers doing so? Some sort of Thurman show or big brother to see how the infected would have played/reacted?

It is ok to be suspicious, but given the situation and the fact the tav is tagging along abominations and possible enemy stereotypes should at least make them more considerate ( I have a vampire, a githyanki, a priest of shar and a servant of zariel… but a mind flyer no. That would be too much! )

[Chadwick Strongpants]

Originally posted by Kappa:

Originally posted by Chadwick Strongpants:

Tav got abducted by a mind flayer ship, had the rather traumatic experience of having a parasitc worm planted in his skull (through his eye, I might add), and dreaded for several days the almost certain fact that he would turn into one. What possible reason could he have to trust him, other than meta game knowledge?

The fact that if the emperor would have revealed themselves asap the tav wouldn’t have considered them as an ally.

The fact there’s proof the prism prevents them from being affected by the absolute.

Finally, what reason might there be behind the mind flyers doing so? Some sort of Thurman show or big brother to see how the infected would have played/reacted?

It is ok to be suspicious, but given the situation and the fact the tav is tagging along abominations and possible enemy stereotypes should at least make them more considerate ( I have a vampire, a githyanki, a priest of shar and a servant of zariel… but a mind flyer no. That would be too much! )

Why yes, that would be too much. His companions never actually did anything harmful to him or gave him any reason to hate them. Compared to, y'know, Squidward.

[Kappa]

Originally posted by Chadwick Strongpants:

Originally posted by Kappa:

The fact that if the emperor would have revealed themselves asap the tav wouldn’t have considered them as an ally.

The fact there’s proof the prism prevents them from being affected by the absolute.

Finally, what reason might there be behind the mind flyers doing so? Some sort of Thurman show or big brother to see how the infected would have played/reacted?

It is ok to be suspicious, but given the situation and the fact the tav is tagging along abominations and possible enemy stereotypes should at least make them more considerate ( I have a vampire, a githyanki, a priest of shar and a servant of zariel… but a mind flyer no. That would be too much! )

Why yes, that would be too much. His companions never actually did anything harmful to him or gave him any reason to hate them. Compared to, y'know, Squidward.

Astarion literally tried to kill the tav assaulting them in their sleep ( you can see what would happen if you just stand still during the sucking part ), and lae zel tries to slice their throat. In less than 2 weeks they are together.

As for hating them, it’s just how the player feels ( there won’t be any betrayal knowing they are companions and who plays know this).

Anyway, it was just to say that it’s not granted that one person should have sided against the emperor once they revealed themselves. It’s just choices and may vary from players to players.

[Chadwick Strongpants]

Originally posted by Kappa:

Astarion literally tried to kill the tav assaulting them in their sleep ( you can see what would happen if you just stand still during the sucking part ),

Again, vampires are (for good reason) heavily shunned by society, it would only be reasonable for him trying to hide it. I do agree that him actually killing Tav is going way too far, and he did get the stake in some of my games for that.

and lae zel tries to slice their throat. In less than 2 weeks they are together.

Why yes. In Gith culture, becoming a mindflayer is a fate far worse than death and to be avoided at all costs, as I'm sure most other races would agree. Even your companions frequently remark that they would rather die than turn. Her trying to end it was not an act born of malice, but pure desperation. It may even be seen as affectionate in a way, as she was trying to save everyone else from that fate, misguided as it was at the time.

As for everything else well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. :)