Baldur's Gate 3

Baldur's Gate 3

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FizzMan Mar 3, 2024 @ 7:16pm
Lady Esther is angry at me for killing a guard??
Hmmmmmmm not sure what the game is talking about, does anyone know what it means by this?
Can I be friendly to Esther at all?
Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:
It's a bug. You can input these 3 commands in the script extender debug window to clear it.

for i,v in ipairs(Osi.DB_CRIME_GuardKiller:Get(nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil)) do CrimeSuspend(v[7]) print(v[7]) end

Osi.RemoveStatus(GetHostCharacter(), "GB_GUARDKILLER")

Osi.DB_CRIME_GuardKiller:Delete(nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil)


To get the window to launch with the game, there is a text file you need to create in the BIN folder called ScriptExtenderSettings.json (not .txt)

In the file you put this text to make the console launch when you start the game.

{
"CreateConsole": true
}

I had to do this twice, it re-applied the condition when I went though the archway to the Monastery area, but it stayed off after that. Wanted that periapt and the graceful cloth. Also needed to cash in the owlbear egg...she's scummy and will take that instead vs. the Githyanki egg to trick the society.
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DeMasked Mar 3, 2024 @ 7:57pm 
Originally posted by FizzMan:
Hmmmmmmm not sure what the game is talking about, does anyone know what it means by this?
Can I be friendly to Esther at all?

I rejected her egg stealing plan and knocked her out and stole her crap to Laezel's delight.

Got the egg and went back where she was really upset with me so I traded stuff to make her happy and got the quest to give her the egg which I did and Laezel didn't say anything lol.
The Yeen Queen Mar 3, 2024 @ 8:03pm 
Originally posted by DeMasked:
Originally posted by FizzMan:
Hmmmmmmm not sure what the game is talking about, does anyone know what it means by this?
Can I be friendly to Esther at all?

I rejected her egg stealing plan and knocked her out and stole her crap to Laezel's delight.

Got the egg and went back where she was really upset with me so I traded stuff to make her happy and got the quest to give her the egg which I did and Laezel didn't say anything lol.

None of that had anything to do with what he said other than involving Esther.

There's apparently a bug currently where you can get the "Enemy of Justice" flag for....no real reason. Got that the other day. Killed Esther because ♥♥♥♥ that racist snob. ( Literally the "violence is in their blood" is exact rhetoric that used to be and still is sometimes thrown against black people by white supremacists. )

BUT, got to the creche and the guards there auto-aggroed me for "killing a guard", too.
Pat Fenis Mar 3, 2024 @ 8:10pm 
Originally posted by Night Foxx:
Killed Esther because ♥♥♥♥ that racist snob. ( Literally the "violence is in their blood" is exact rhetoric that used to be and still is sometimes thrown against black people by white supremacists. )

BUT, got to the creche and the guards there auto-aggroed me for "killing a guard", too.

Wow, you are such an activist. +5000 social justice credits. Your virtue is like top tier, man.
[TG] zac Mar 3, 2024 @ 8:24pm 
Originally posted by Night Foxx:
Originally posted by DeMasked:

I rejected her egg stealing plan and knocked her out and stole her crap to Laezel's delight.

Got the egg and went back where she was really upset with me so I traded stuff to make her happy and got the quest to give her the egg which I did and Laezel didn't say anything lol.

None of that had anything to do with what he said other than involving Esther.

There's apparently a bug currently where you can get the "Enemy of Justice" flag for....no real reason. Got that the other day. Killed Esther because ♥♥♥♥ that racist snob. ( Literally the "violence is in their blood" is exact rhetoric that used to be and still is sometimes thrown against black people by white supremacists. )

BUT, got to the creche and the guards there auto-aggroed me for "killing a guard", too.

https://www.snexplores.org/article/iq-genes

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/01/07/iq-is-mostly-inherited-new-research-suggests/

I mean you may not like it but IQ has been shown to be almost entirely genetic.
Predisposition towards unplanned violence is also strongly linked to IQ.

In the 7 years since those studies they have completely mapped the genes responsible and found the only non genetic components effecting it was exposure to poisons/toxins while in the womb or as a very small child.
Last edited by [TG] zac; Mar 3, 2024 @ 8:25pm
Sold her an owlbear egg instead.
As for OP looks like "enemy of justice" bug
TheClosetSkeleton Mar 3, 2024 @ 11:40pm 
Originally posted by TG zac:
Originally posted by Night Foxx:

None of that had anything to do with what he said other than involving Esther.

There's apparently a bug currently where you can get the "Enemy of Justice" flag for....no real reason. Got that the other day. Killed Esther because ♥♥♥♥ that racist snob. ( Literally the "violence is in their blood" is exact rhetoric that used to be and still is sometimes thrown against black people by white supremacists. )

BUT, got to the creche and the guards there auto-aggroed me for "killing a guard", too.

https://www.snexplores.org/article/iq-genes

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/01/07/iq-is-mostly-inherited-new-research-suggests/

I mean you may not like it but IQ has been shown to be almost entirely genetic.
Predisposition towards unplanned violence is also strongly linked to IQ.

In the 7 years since those studies they have completely mapped the genes responsible and found the only non genetic components effecting it was exposure to poisons/toxins while in the womb or as a very small child.

You did not just quote a quack journal that misinterpreted a meta analysis whose most recent data set is from 2014. Sorry to break it to you, but just because you have a source doesn't mean it's a credible one, especially when the go to some serious length to hide their own sources, and refuse to give proper insight into the study research.

Quick google search shows that this meta analysis was critisized for having some biased sample and extrapolating results out of insufficient data set. This is the research equivalent of writting an answer on your math test without doing any calculations.

Also, if you didn't based your sample on outdated disputed research, you'd also know that IQ mesuring is heavily disputed as an acurate measurement of intelligence. What is generally agreed upon is that is a pretty accurate measurement of cognitive abilities, meaning that when conducted correctly, this test can highlight the cognitive abilities of a person pretty accuratly at the time of the test.

Second, these results have been shown to be fluctuating, and highly dependent on cognitive developpement of the individual. IQ mesures how devellopped are your neural pathways, something that is known to be heavily influenced by your environement and activities. The brain will form new pathways when stimulated with new activities, much like older ones are prone to disappear if the individual ceases the activities tied to their devellopement.

No serious study would refer to IQ as a measure of intelligence, nor would create a direct link between IQ and behavioral symptomes like violence, and then pin it on genetics without proper dataset. Now I'm looking into the researchers behind it, doubt this is their first stunt.
Last edited by TheClosetSkeleton; Mar 3, 2024 @ 11:42pm
Lani Mar 4, 2024 @ 12:10am 
Originally posted by Pat Fenis:
Originally posted by Night Foxx:
Killed Esther because ♥♥♥♥ that racist snob. ( Literally the "violence is in their blood" is exact rhetoric that used to be and still is sometimes thrown against black people by white supremacists. )

BUT, got to the creche and the guards there auto-aggroed me for "killing a guard", too.

Wow, you are such an activist. +5000 social justice credits. Your virtue is like top tier, man.
Nothing exceptionally virtuous. More like, normal well balanced reaction to a racist character in a game. Scorning that though, that's kinda like -3000 on the common decency scale?
TheClosetSkeleton Mar 4, 2024 @ 12:21am 
Originally posted by Lani:
Originally posted by Pat Fenis:

Wow, you are such an activist. +5000 social justice credits. Your virtue is like top tier, man.
Nothing exceptionally virtuous. More like, normal well balanced reaction to a racist character in a game. Scorning that though, that's kinda like -3000 on the common decency scale?

Don't remember esther as overly racist, at least no more than the average character. Like, her whole research thesis is to determine if Githyankie aggressiveness is inherited or taught, which not only commendable, but also logical in DnD lore.

Reminder that Githyankies are in a nutshell, extremely racist and violent interplanar raiders that believe themselves above all other creatures and see denizen of the nine-realms as nothing but cattles to loot every few decades or so.

It's one of those times were the prejudices are warranted, and the fact that she is willing to investigate if those stereotypes are linked to their education rather than their nature is a commendable course of action, even if I don't condone kidnapping an unborne child to prove the point, but I suppose circumstances can somewhat excuse her.
What are you arguing? )))
Just sell her the egg then visit The Society of Brilliance office at Act3 )))
Steffan Mar 4, 2024 @ 1:47am 
Originally posted by Lani:
Originally posted by Pat Fenis:

Wow, you are such an activist. +5000 social justice credits. Your virtue is like top tier, man.
Nothing exceptionally virtuous. More like, normal well balanced reaction to a racist character in a game. Scorning that though, that's kinda like -3000 on the common decency scale?


While I do not condone racism, being racist is still not enough ground for a death sentence in my view. That being said, the threshold for violence in the Forgotten Realms is quite low. Yeah, to each their own in their run.
Last edited by Steffan; Mar 4, 2024 @ 1:47am
The Yeen Queen Mar 4, 2024 @ 4:53am 
Originally posted by TG zac:
Originally posted by Night Foxx:

None of that had anything to do with what he said other than involving Esther.

There's apparently a bug currently where you can get the "Enemy of Justice" flag for....no real reason. Got that the other day. Killed Esther because ♥♥♥♥ that racist snob. ( Literally the "violence is in their blood" is exact rhetoric that used to be and still is sometimes thrown against black people by white supremacists. )

BUT, got to the creche and the guards there auto-aggroed me for "killing a guard", too.

https://www.snexplores.org/article/iq-genes

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/01/07/iq-is-mostly-inherited-new-research-suggests/

I mean you may not like it but IQ has been shown to be almost entirely genetic.
Predisposition towards unplanned violence is also strongly linked to IQ.

In the 7 years since those studies they have completely mapped the genes responsible and found the only non genetic components effecting it was exposure to poisons/toxins while in the womb or as a very small child.

Who the ♥♥♥♥ said anything about IQ?
The Yeen Queen Mar 4, 2024 @ 4:54am 
Originally posted by Lani:
Originally posted by Pat Fenis:

Wow, you are such an activist. +5000 social justice credits. Your virtue is like top tier, man.
Nothing exceptionally virtuous. More like, normal well balanced reaction to a racist character in a game. Scorning that though, that's kinda like -3000 on the common decency scale?

It's hilarious how easy it is to trigger the anti-woke crowd, isn't it? I wasn't even trying for that. 🤣🤣🤣
The Yeen Queen Mar 4, 2024 @ 4:56am 
Originally posted by TheClosetSkeleton:
Originally posted by Lani:
Nothing exceptionally virtuous. More like, normal well balanced reaction to a racist character in a game. Scorning that though, that's kinda like -3000 on the common decency scale?

Don't remember esther as overly racist

Really? "Violence is in their blood"? Her outright venomous attitude toward Lae'zal? Her comments about Drow if you play as one? And much more. Either you weren't paying attention or you're such a massive racist yourself those things seemed normal to you.
The Yeen Queen Mar 4, 2024 @ 4:59am 
Originally posted by steffan8:
Originally posted by Lani:
Nothing exceptionally virtuous. More like, normal well balanced reaction to a racist character in a game. Scorning that though, that's kinda like -3000 on the common decency scale?


While I do not condone racism, being racist is still not enough ground for a death sentence in my view. That being said, the threshold for violence in the Forgotten Realms is quite low. Yeah, to each their own in their run.

Normally I roll my eyes at her, buy a few things I need with her, then tell her to ♥♥♥♥ off and don't help her with her "mission". Or actively sabotage it by tricking her into thinking the owlbear egg is a Gith egg. In this instance, though, since she attacked me I felt no remorse about having to kill her to defend myself.

Also, yes, in FR, as with most fantasy worlds, the violence threshold is low. I don't think murder is the appropriate reaction for pickpocketing, but we're supposed to believe the Emperor was being virtuous by only chowing down on criminals' brains. And the town guards seem pretty quick to run a pickpocket through.
Originally posted by Night Foxx:
Originally posted by TheClosetSkeleton:

Don't remember esther as overly racist

Really? "Violence is in their blood"? Her outright venomous attitude toward Lae'zal? Her comments about Drow if you play as one? And much more. Either you weren't paying attention or you're such a massive racist yourself those things seemed normal to you.

First of, pipe the ♥♥♥♥ back down. I'm not about to ♥♥♥♥♥ from some random stranger that made up my imaginary moral compass. You are nobody to tell people you don't know what they are or are not.

Second, her grievances are somewhat justified. Gith, as I said earlier, are interplanar raiders. They terrorise and murder, considering their victims as below themselves. If esthel is a racist ass, then giths are the bloody KKK. Plus at that point of the game, Lae'zal is still very much aligned with the Gith's teachings.

Then there's drows, which are for the major part allied to Lothl, a dark insane goddess, who's sole purpose is to sow as much chaos, strife, murder and sorrow as possible, tyrranising the zealots that follow her to the point of turning them into monsters (driders).

Esthel as a prejudices, there is no denying that, but it's also an old women that lives in a world were the 'victims' of her prejudices are, for the most part, bloodthirsty murderers and she still is willing to put her own ideas aside to further the Society of Brillance's understanding of the Githyanky and it's effort to tear down the prejudices. She's risking her life to prove an ideal she doesn't believe in herself.

So while I do not condone kidnapping nor prejudices, the woman has good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reasons to think like she does.
Last edited by TheClosetSkeleton; Mar 4, 2024 @ 5:26am
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