The word is 'empathy', or 'inclusion,' not 'woke!'

[Popsicles]

Just because society is more inclusive and people have empathy does not mean something is 'woke.'

BG3 being 'woke' is basically saying Larian cares for all types of people and therefore all types and lifestyles are included in the game. Anything more than that should be reserved for your 4CHAN chat room.

BG3 is GOTY. 10 million players. I'm glad so many millions are 'awake.' Now if the other .01 percent could learn to enjoy things without ruining it for other, then that would be fantastic.

[MailFist]

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

Just because something dosn't get taken immediatly it dosn't mean it dosn't break the rules. Which that mod did. And then it got removed for breaking the Terms of Service. Standard procedure in all professional businesses.

If that mod is so important to you, talk to NexusMods about it.

But here's what it REALLY boils down to: Their plattform, their rules. If people don't like it, they can leave.

i personally don't care about the mod, but someone is going to have to try real hard to explain how a mod that turns a female character into a male one is somehow non-inclusive and therefore violated ToS.

The modder created muiltipe mods in a seres called "No alphabets" to turn every single LGBT+ person into straight people to "match the medieval status quo" when the game isnt medieval

[Surfaced]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Originally posted by Surfaced:

So you agree, mentally ill people's thinking is affected. Not only affected, but affected in different ways depending on their illness and even person to person. How does that help make someone with a mental illness more credible?

COFFEE affects mood. CIGARETTES affect mood. Petting your cat affects mood.

Normal, formative experiences affect our thinking all the time.

The question is HOW.

If you're aware of what is burdening someone then you probably already have a better idea of how to judge the information they give you.

Or you could imply that all mentally ill people inherently give bad information, which would probably make sure nobody ever felt comfortable telling you anything at all about themselves, considering you feel comfortable making blanket judgements like this.

Originally posted by Surfaced:

If two people with the same illness experience things differently, then that just adds another variable of unreliability to their credibility since you could get 2 different opinions or facts. Those pesky variables.

You're assuming there's unreliability in the first place. Mental illness is not all alike.

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Tell me again how you want get your facts from them.

By asking them. You know, treating them like a human being.

Again the only thing I'm implying is that you shouldn't get your facts from someone who's mentally ill. Yes, its a blanket statement.
Petting your cat isn't a mental illness, drinking coffee isn't a mental illness. Smoking, well one can make the argument there. But i'm not talking about mood, I'm talking about thinking/rational thought/logic. Your reading comprehension level is on display again.

[MailFist]

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

COFFEE affects mood. CIGARETTES affect mood. Petting your cat affects mood.

Normal, formative experiences affect our thinking all the time.

The question is HOW.

If you're aware of what is burdening someone then you probably already have a better idea of how to judge the information they give you.

Or you could imply that all mentally ill people inherently give bad information, which would probably make sure nobody ever felt comfortable telling you anything at all about themselves, considering you feel comfortable making blanket judgements like this.

You're assuming there's unreliability in the first place. Mental illness is not all alike.

By asking them. You know, treating them like a human being.

Again the only thing I'm implying is that you shouldn't get your facts from someone who's mentally ill. Yes, its a blanket statement.
Petting your cat isn't a mental illness, drinking coffee isn't a mental illness. Smoking, well one can make the argument there. But i'm not talking about mood, I'm talking about thinking/rational thought/logic. Your reading comprehension level is on display again.

depends on the type of mental illness, how does ADHD makes someone not tell the truth? brain just too fast there

[Surfaced]

Originally posted by MailFist:

Originally posted by Surfaced:

i personally don't care about the mod, but someone is going to have to try real hard to explain how a mod that turns a female character into a male one is somehow non-inclusive and therefore violated ToS.

The modder created muiltipe mods in a seres called "No alphabets" to turn every single LGBT+ person into straight people to "match the medieval status quo" when the game isnt medieval

But he was banned specifically over this one mod according to the article, not the other ones that actually infringed the ToS.

[MailFist]

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Originally posted by MailFist:

The modder created muiltipe mods in a seres called "No alphabets" to turn every single LGBT+ person into straight people to "match the medieval status quo" when the game isnt medieval

But he was banned specifically over this one mod according to the article, not the other ones that actually infringed the ToS.

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Originally posted by MailFist:

The modder created muiltipe mods in a seres called "No alphabets" to turn every single LGBT+ person into straight people to "match the medieval status quo" when the game isnt medieval

But he was banned specifically over this one mod according to the article, not the other ones that actually infringed the ToS.

cause his intention is obvious and breaks TOS

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Again the only thing I'm implying is that you shouldn't get your facts from someone who's mentally ill. Yes, its a blanket statement.
Petting your cat isn't a mental illness, drinking coffee isn't a mental illness. Smoking, well one can make the argument there. But i'm not talking about mood, I'm talking about thinking/rational thought/logic. Your reading comprehension level is on display again.

Yes, it is. You said that mental illness affects mood and thinking, and that's part of why you shouldn't get information from mentally ill people. I read what you said just fine, thanks. I mentioned normal things which affect mood and thinking, too.

It would really serve you better to just stay on topic and stop trying to hit me with these weak gotchas.

Anyway, here's the thing about blanket statements: They lack nuance.

Thus, if you state them strictly and just act like the statement you made is inherently true, people are going to call you on them.

Because reality has nuance.

If you tell me I shouldn't get my facts from mentally ill people, I'm going to ask you what the mental illness is and how it affects the credibility of the facts. Because those things matter when we're discussing the reality of the situation and not your little security blanket.

[Surfaced]

Originally posted by MailFist:

Originally posted by Surfaced:

But he was banned specifically over this one mod according to the article, not the other ones that actually infringed the ToS.

Originally posted by Surfaced:

But he was banned specifically over this one mod according to the article, not the other ones that actually infringed the ToS.

cause his intention is obvious and breaks TOS

Again, you'll have to explain how turning a female character male is non-inclusive and thus breaks ToS. Intent to break ToS and breaking ToS are two different things.

[MailFist]

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Originally posted by MailFist:

cause his intention is obvious and breaks TOS

Again, you'll have to explain how turning a female character male is non-inclusive and thus breaks ToS. Intent to break ToS and breaking ToS are two different things.

He intended to turn a lesbian into a staight person, because he doesnt like LGBT people. Yes it was a simple gender flip. The break is tuning a lesbian straight for the intention of hating lgbt people

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by Surfaced:

i personally don't care about the mod, but someone is going to have to try real hard to explain how a mod that turns a female character into a male one is somehow non-inclusive and therefore violated ToS.

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Originally posted by MailFist:

cause his intention is obvious and breaks TOS

Again, you'll have to explain how turning a female character male is non-inclusive and thus breaks ToS. Intent to break ToS and breaking ToS are two different things.

Here's the thing, it didn't JUST exlude a lesbian couple, which was already more than enough of a ToS violation. It whitewashed black characters and made human-turned-devils into black people too, aka invoking an old, extremely racist trope.

Tell me how this dosn't violate a lot of common community guidelines literally anywhere?

[Moonlight Knight]

It's honestly incredibly disgusting to need to have this discussion about whether mentally ill people can be credible witnesses about the conditions of their own lives.

[Hekk]

Originally posted by Black Magic:

Originally posted by Cassidy0z:

No scientist are legit, doctors are doctors who more often than not now are in the pockets of the highest bidder. But being that you yourself deny science I'm not sure why it is you of all people would be bringing this up.

Outwardly saying scientists aren't legit. :buzzed: And he said that unironically, too!

Let me guess, you're also one of the dipsh*ts who was anti-vax and consequently was part of the COVID problem, inflating the numbers of right-wing pundits dying from the illness.

Either you're a troll or you're genuinely, concerningly not very bright. Scientists are always in the process of change; no scientific understanding is set in stone and every scientist worth their merit will tell you that.

And the medicinal sciences are constantly changing - despite how much you kick, scream, whine, and sh*t your pants. We're already at the point where we've proven Womb Transplants are not only possible, but can carry offspring.

Deny Science as much as you want, you'll just not look very smart for doing so. In-fact, I've yet to see anything of the sort from you apart from a person trying their hardest at being a bully (and failing at it, embarrassingly). You do you.

Scientists today say that coof is like a flu, for saying that 3 years ago you'd get banned everywhere.. but as you said - medicinal sciences are constantly changing, mostly depending on who pays the most.

[Hekk]

Originally posted by MailFist:

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Again, you'll have to explain how turning a female character male is non-inclusive and thus breaks ToS. Intent to break ToS and breaking ToS are two different things.

He intended to turn a lesbian into a staight person, because he doesnt like LGBT people. Yes it was a simple gender flip. The break is tuning a lesbian straight for the intention of hating lgbt people

But it's fine if you turn straight characters gay apparently :D

[Surfaced]

Originally posted by Moonlight Knight:

Originally posted by Surfaced:

Again the only thing I'm implying is that you shouldn't get your facts from someone who's mentally ill. Yes, its a blanket statement.
Petting your cat isn't a mental illness, drinking coffee isn't a mental illness. Smoking, well one can make the argument there. But i'm not talking about mood, I'm talking about thinking/rational thought/logic. Your reading comprehension level is on display again.

Yes, it is. You said that mental illness affects mood and thinking, and that's part of why you shouldn't get information from mentally ill people. I read what you said just fine, thanks. I mentioned normal things which affect mood and thinking, too.

It would really serve you better to just stay on topic and stop trying to hit me with these weak gotchas.

Anyway, here's the thing about blanket statements: They lack nuance.

Thus, if you state them strictly and just act like the statement you made is inherently true, people are going to call you on them.

Because reality has nuance.

If you tell me I shouldn't get my facts from mentally ill people, I'm going to ask you what the mental illness is and how it affects the credibility of the facts. Because those things matter when we're discussing the reality of the situation and not your little security blanket.

Your response only addressed mood. Again i'm talking about thinking. Mood was only brought up by me when i posted the definition of mental illness. Again, reading comprehension is in the gutter.

The nuance in the statement is what we call common sense. I'm starting to see a lack of it from you.

It's common sense not to go into bad neighborhood at night because you have a high chance of getting mugged. It doesn't mean you WILL get mugged, but why take the chance.

If you're going to get your facts from someone, It's common sense to get it from someone who's of sound mind. It doesn't mean the fact WILL be correct, but you have a higher chance of it being correct than asking someone who's mentally ill.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by Hekk:

Originally posted by MailFist:

He intended to turn a lesbian into a staight person, because he doesnt like LGBT people. Yes it was a simple gender flip. The break is tuning a lesbian straight for the intention of hating lgbt people

But it's fine if you turn straight characters gay apparently :D

Which is why we need more gays in our video games, so we can avoid needing to mod them in. Win-win. >:3

[Hekk]

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

Originally posted by Hekk:

But it's fine if you turn straight characters gay apparently :D

Which is why we need more gays in our video games, so we can avoid needing to mod them in. Win-win. >:3

I'd say we need true representation, and only have as many gay characters as the percentage worldwide :^)

Personally, I like what Larian did with companions - turning them all into player-sexual was a smart move.