Gloves of Dexterity?

[Marcus]

Equiped astarion with those and respec his dex ability to 8 but now he has -1 in lockpicking checks. Why is that so?

[jonnin]

this happens all over the place, its just how BG3 shows the math.
if you have 8 wis and the necro book buff, for example, you see -1 and +1. If you have 8 str and the club of 19 str, you see -1 and +4. Its probably a bad way to show it -- it should evaluate your stats from the current value, not twice (once for true value and once for buffed) as that is not only confusing & weird but inefficient.

[Marcus]

Messaggio originale di jonnin:

this happens all over the place, its just how BG3 shows the math.
if you have 8 wis and the necro book buff, for example, you see -1 and +1. If you have 8 str and the club of 19 str, you see -1 and +4. Its probably a bad way to show it -- it should evaluate your stats from the current value, not twice (once for true value and once for buffed) as that is not only confusing & weird but inefficient.

Oh so you are saying I got 2 effect one from base dex and one from upgraded 18 one, did not pay attention to that I'll check it

[anachoret]

Messaggio originale di jonnin:

this happens all over the place, its just how BG3 shows the math.
if you have 8 wis and the necro book buff, for example, you see -1 and +1. If you have 8 str and the club of 19 str, you see -1 and +4. Its probably a bad way to show it -- it should evaluate your stats from the current value, not twice (once for true value and once for buffed) as that is not only confusing & weird but inefficient.

Those are different cases though:
8 WIS and Necro book buff ARE actually -1 and +1, correctly canceling out but still important to display

Club of Hill Giant Strength, Headband of Intellect, and Gloves of Dexterity should ONLY be +4, +3, and +4 respectively, no matter what your attribute score in strength, intelligence, or dexterity are (assuming they are lower).

[Ol'Chum]

the gloves effect will show up as a separate pop-up giving another +5 to offset the -1

[anachoret]

Messaggio originale di Ol'Chum:

the gloves effect will show up as a separate pop-up giving another +5 to offset the -1

If you have a 12 DEX will you get a +3 from the Gloves to add to the +1?

[jonnin]

Messaggio originale di anachoret:

Messaggio originale di Ol'Chum:

the gloves effect will show up as a separate pop-up giving another +5 to offset the -1

If you have a 12 DEX will you get a +3 from the Gloves to add to the +1?

It seems to work out correctly, in spite of the odd display of the info.

Messaggio originale di anachoret:

Messaggio originale di jonnin:

this happens all over the place, its just how BG3 shows the math.
if you have 8 wis and the necro book buff, for example, you see -1 and +1. If you have 8 str and the club of 19 str, you see -1 and +4. Its probably a bad way to show it -- it should evaluate your stats from the current value, not twice (once for true value and once for buffed) as that is not only confusing & weird but inefficient.

Those are different cases though:
8 WIS and Necro book buff ARE actually -1 and +1, correctly canceling out but still important to display

Club of Hill Giant Strength, Headband of Intellect, and Gloves of Dexterity should ONLY be +4, +3, and +4 respectively, no matter what your attribute score in strength, intelligence, or dexterity are (assuming they are lower).

Yes, you are correct. I initially thought it wasn't worth displaying cancelled out values, but, in hindsight, I think showing both is indeed better.

[Tempest Fox3]

Messaggio originale di Dizzy Ladybug:

Messaggio originale di anachoret:

But...if you have an 18 Dex and put on the Gloves that give you an 18 Dex you don't get +8?

i don't understand, the gloves set your Dex to 18

it's not a bug, you're still getting +4 as you should. the game is just still showing the -1

When you have the gloves on your Dex is both 8 and 18 at the same time. Your Base 8 shows you the -1. The gloves give you +5 which equate to the +4 you should get if you have 18 dex.

The intelligence headband does the same thing.

You're getting the correct bonus either way, the game just has an odd way of showing it as it still shows your base 8 Penalty.

[anachoret]

Oh that's weird and I don't like it :) Sorry everyone if I was slow. I guess displaying it is sorta useful for reminding you that *don't* really have an 18 DEX or whatever stat?

Apparently this has come up before and seems to confuse some of us:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/3/6045572169617970389/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/3819669231705173927/

https://old.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/18svy99/gloves_of_dexterity_bug/

[anachoret]

Messaggio originale di jonnin:

Messaggio originale di anachoret:

If you have a 12 DEX will you get a +3 from the Gloves to add to the +1?

It seems to work out correctly, in spite of the odd display of the info.

Messaggio originale di anachoret:

Those are different cases though:
8 WIS and Necro book buff ARE actually -1 and +1, correctly canceling out but still important to display

Club of Hill Giant Strength, Headband of Intellect, and Gloves of Dexterity should ONLY be +4, +3, and +4 respectively, no matter what your attribute score in strength, intelligence, or dexterity are (assuming they are lower).

Yes, you are correct. I initially thought it wasn't worth displaying cancelled out values, but, in hindsight, I think showing both is indeed better.

That's strange but I got you now, thanks.

[anachoret]

Messaggio originale di Tempest Fox3:

Messaggio originale di Dizzy Ladybug:

i don't understand, the gloves set your Dex to 18

it's not a bug, you're still getting +4 as you should. the game is just still showing the -1

When you have the gloves on your Dex is both 8 and 18 at the same time. Your Base 8 shows you the -1. The gloves give you +5 which equate to the +4 you should get if you have 18 dex.

The intelligence headband does the same thing.

You're getting the correct bonus either way, the game just has an odd way of showing it as it still shows your base 8 Penalty.

Got it now, thanks.

[anachoret]

Messaggio originale di Dizzy Ladybug:

it does not matter that the game is still showing -1, you're getting a +1 anyways to make up for it 🙂

I got it now, thanks. I will maintain that it's a little weird and unexpected behaviour.