So the only way to become a vampire is to be ♥♥♥ for Astarion?

[Blackdragon]

I've made Astarion Vampire Ascendant, yet there was no option to ask him to make me a vampire.

Apparently that is because I did not pursue a romantic relationship with him. I am playing a male character who is straight, and rebuffed all of Astarion's advances. However, we still have an extraordinary relationship (i.e. close friendship).

So, the only way a player character can become a vampire is to either play as Astarion (who is ♥♥♥/bi), or have a romance with Astarion? Straight male characters can't become a vampire?

This is some new level of woke pandering. Gate the vampire race behind literally being/roleplaying ♥♥♥.

This game is such crap sometimes.

[Blackdragon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh User-315-708:

Also, I see a lot of blocked users in this thread. I don't know or care what they are saying, but just beware that there is a small group of activists here, who are patrolling all the "anti woke" threads 24/7. They use shared accounts, so you can often see 5-10 woke replies in a row within 5-10 minutes. This is usually done by 1 person to create the feeling of "a huge crowd". I highly recommend blocking all these accounts and ignoring them.

That is actually a great idea, to block these nonsense spammers who are only derailing the conversation.

[The Geologist]

Go ♥♥♥ for pay. Pay being cool vampire powers.

[CrackeR]

The TROLLS goad you folks so easily LOL
These type of posts aren't made because of righteous indignation or some rigid , outdated moral doctrine, they are truly just fodder to feed off of.
Only ONE truth remains at the end of the day..."if you don't like it, don't play the game period.

I could care less what type romances are played out in a GAME of pixilated characters, in the end you make the choice to play or not, the rest of us could care less about your beliefs, but you are entitled to those beliefs, nonetheless!

******This really is a HELP forum, not a judgement forum******

[Blackdragon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh votadc:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blackdragon:

But there is literally a "relationship" gauge between the MC and the party members, and my MC's relationship with Astarion is at the maximum level. Why does it only have to be a "romantic" relationship? Especially for a cold-blooded bastard like him, other considerations should be at the forefront (like having a powerful ally).

Why this gauge has zero effect? Also except for the little scene even romance (that for no reason has time limit) has zero effect, they even said that Tav in love with Astarion laugh when he Is burning (no idea why they choose to not make him Ascendant in that case).

The actual "relationship level" indicated by the relationship gauge apparently has zero effect on Astarion offering you the option of turning into a vampire. At least I wasn't able to get this option despite having the maximum level relationship (and other players have reported likewise). The option to get turned into a vampire only becomes available if you are romantically involved with Astarion. Which, if you are playing as a male, makes your character ♥♥♥.

In other words, if you want to become a vampire in BG3, you must play either as a ♥♥♥ male, or as a female. Straight males cannot get this option regardless of their "relationship level" with Astarion.

[seeker1]

Oh FFS stop whining. You want to play as a vampire? You don't have to re-enact a scene from Twilight with Astarion. Go get a mod.

Vampire Spawn Potion
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/151

Now? Not happy with merely being a spawn? This potion will give you the full monty, or become an ascendant.

Become a Vampire
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/4907

Or ... go another route, and be the playable Dhampir race, which means you are of vampire ancestry.
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/4750

All these let you play as a vampire from the start of the game, you don't have to wait for Astarion to "gift" you anything.

[Blackdragon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh CrackeR:

The TROLLS goad you folks so easily LOL
These type of posts aren't made because of righteous indignation or some rigid , outdated moral doctrine, they are truly just fodder to feed off of.

Nonsense. Playing a vampire character is and was a long-time wish of many D&D fans. In multiple editions of table-top D&D this option is freely available to any character, with no limitation on their race, ♥♥♥ or ♥♥♥♥♥♥ orientation.

I've played the original BG1 and BG2 games when they came out, more than 20 years ago. BG2 particularly had a vampire faction, led by Irenicus' sister Bodhi, that you could side with (for a time). Ever since I've wanted to play a vampire character in a D&D CRPG.

I got excited for BG3 offering an option for the main character to become a vampire. However, it was extremely disappointing to discover that this option is only available to characters who romance Astarion, a male NPC.

Since I was role-playing a straight male character, and romancing Shadowheart, this option was denied to me, despite having the highest relationship level possible with Astarion as a companion (and despite having extremely high social skills, sufficient to make enemy bosses kill themselves etc.).

I think it doesn't make any sense for Larian to only limit the possibility of playing as a vampire to either ♥♥♥ male or female characters.

Diposting pertama kali oleh CrackeR:

Only ONE truth remains at the end of the day..."if you don't like it, don't play the game period.

As a player who has legitimately bought this game on the Steam platform, I am entitled to express my opinion concerning this game on the Steam forum. Attempting to shut down all dissent won't work.

Diposting pertama kali oleh CrackeR:

I could care less

Then what are you doing here, spamming in a thread that you "couldn't care less" about?

[Blackdragon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh seeker1:

Oh FFS stop whining

Expressing disappointment with a bought product is not "whining".

Though complaining about others expressing their views may be.

Diposting pertama kali oleh seeker1:

You want to play as a vampire? You don't have to re-enact a scene from Twilight with Astarion. Go get a mod.

None of these mods offer to get vampirism narratively/natively in the game. I don't want some ridiculous "potion of vampirism", becoming a vampire in D&D involves a ritual with another vampire, not just drinking a cheated-in potion.

Again, it's not about cheating in some "vampire powers". This is a D&D Role-Playing Game, I want to role-play as a vampire within the game's narrative, not just get some meaningless "+X" numbers on my character sheet.

[seeker1]

There's no cheat to being a playable dhampir, other than the dhampir race isn't one of the built-in race options for the game ... it's definitely there in source material ... but anyhoo ....

Cool, if you want to role play within the game's built in narrative, well, they built in being able to become a vampire spawn through Astarion through one path - romancing Astarion.

"Being ♥♥♥ for Astarion" is a false claim, as you can also play a het female Tav romancing Astarion, and he will offer the same "Twilight" style option.

Don't simultaneously say "I won't use anything outside the game's built in narrative and options" AND say "oh but I don't have the option to be something that narrative doesn't offer."

"Darn it! Larian! Why won't Mizora agree to be MY warlock's patron also? How come he has to serve some random other Fiend! You're taking away options!"

So --that said -- let me be clear. You can most definitely express dis-satisfaction with not being offered a certain option within the game to Larian. The place to do so is Suggestions & Feedback, a different subforum than this one, and i encourage you to do so.

Cheers!

[The Yeen Queen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blackdragon:

I've made Astarion Vampire Ascendant, yet there was no option to ask him to make me a vampire.

Apparently that is because I did not pursue a romantic relationship with him. I am playing a male character who is straight, and rebuffed all of Astarion's advances. However, we still have an extraordinary relationship (i.e. close friendship).

So, the only way a player character can become a vampire is to either play as Astarion (who is ♥♥♥/bi), or have a romance with Astarion? Straight male characters can't become a vampire?

This is some new level of woke pandering. Gate the vampire race behind literally being/roleplaying ♥♥♥.

This game is such crap sometimes.

You do know that roleplay a ♥♥♥ character in a fantasy game doesn't make you ♥♥♥ any more than roleplaying an elf makes you any elf, right? Maybe grow a pair and stop getting hung up on your insecurities. If I can play a cishet male, you can play a ♥♥♥/bi male. And there have been tons more games that force me to play as cishet male no matter what ( As in no option at all to be ♥♥♥, bi, or even female ) than games that force you to play ♥♥♥/bi male ( Or a straight female ) for one specific option that doesn't even really have any impact on the overall game.

[Blackdragon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh seeker1:

There's no cheat to being a playable dhampir, other than the dhampir race isn't one of the built-in race options for the game ... it's definitely there in source material ... but anyhoo ....

A dhampir is a completely different race (half-vampire), which is not available in BG3 (unlike becoming a vampire), I don't even know why you are bringing it up.

Diposting pertama kali oleh seeker1:

Cool, if you want to role play within the game's built in narrative, well, they built in being able to become a vampire spawn through Astarion through one path - romancing Astarion.

Which is precisely the problem, since Astarion is male. So the only way to become a vampire in BG3 is by engaging in a romantic relationship with a male. I.e., by playing either as a ♥♥♥ male, or as a female.

Diposting pertama kali oleh seeker1:

"Being ♥♥♥ for Astarion" is a false claim, as you can also play a het female Tav romancing Astarion, and he will offer the same "Twilight" style option.

If you had actually read the posts you're replying, including the OP, you'd have seen that I am playing as a MALE character, and my issue was that STRAIGHT MALE characters can't get the option of becoming a vampire.

Diposting pertama kali oleh seeker1:

Don't simultaneously say "I won't use anything outside the game's built in narrative and options" AND say "oh but I don't have the option to be something that narrative doesn't offer."

Why shouldn't I be able to say that? Yes, I believe that if a game offers players a narrative way of becoming a vampire, this option should not be gated behind a specific ♥♥♥ or ♥♥♥♥♥♥ orientation, and should be available to all players, just like it is in tabletop D&D.

There are even TWO specific systems in the game for interaction with companions and other NPCs - the relationship system and the social skill system - which could have easily been used by Larian to require a certain "level of trust" or "companionship" needed for Astarion to agree to make you a vampire, or be convinced to do so, instead of gating it behind ♥♥♥/♥♥♥♥♥♥ orientation and thus excluding straight male characters. However, Larian elected to ignore its own game design in order to force players to engage in a romantic relationship with a ♥♥♥/bi male character if they wanted to play as a vampire.

Diposting pertama kali oleh seeker1:

So --that said -- let me be clear. You can most definitely express dis-satisfaction with not being offered a certain option within the game to Larian. The place to do so is Suggestions & Feedback, a different subforum than this one, and i encourage you to do so.

First, you're not "forum police" and have neither right nor moral authority to dictate what other users are posting.

Second, this is a "General discussions" forum which does not exclude expressing dissatisfaction with certain aspects of the game.

[CrackeR]

This is a HELP forum, not an opinion forum.... (((( was my point)))) lol

[chiefchokesnpass]

vampires are always ♥♥♥

[The Yeen Queen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blackdragon:

Diposting pertama kali oleh seeker1:

So --that said -- let me be clear. You can most definitely express dis-satisfaction with not being offered a certain option within the game to Larian. The place to do so is Suggestions & Feedback, a different subforum than this one, and i encourage you to do so.

First, you're not "forum police" and have neither right nor moral authority to dictate what other users are posting.

Second, this is a "General discussions" forum which does not exclude expressing dissatisfaction with certain aspects of the game.

Offering a suggestion to where your feedback might be more effective isn't being the "forum police".... 🙄

[pkd]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blackdragon:

If you had actually read the posts you're replying, including the OP, you'd have seen that I am playing as a MALE character, and my issue was that STRAIGHT MALE characters can't get the option of becoming a vampire.

It's Astarion's decision whether he'll share vampirism or not, and he won't unless you blow him. That's how it's written. So go cry everyone a river because you feel left out.

[seeker1]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blackdragon:

A dhampir is a completely different race (half-vampire), which is not available in BG3 (unlike becoming a vampire), I don't even know why you are bringing it up.

Sure ... just as a vampire spawn is also not a vampire. Your thread says Astarion can't make you a vampire. Totally correct, he can only make you a vampire spawn. Since we're being technical, your thread title is wrong.

If you had actually read the posts you're replying,

I have good sir. But the THREAD TITLE in your OP says "you must be ♥♥♥ for Astarion to become a vampire". Except, he can't make you a vampire, and you don't have to be ♥♥♥, so your thread title contains two lies.

You can fix it anytime you like.

Why shouldn't I be able to say that? Yes, I believe that if a game offers players a narrative way of becoming a vampire, this option should not be gated behind a specific ♥♥♥ or ♥♥♥♥♥♥ orientation, and should be available to all players, just like it is in tabletop D&D.

I believe my warlock should be able to choose Mizora as his patron. The game doesn't offer that, and it's clearly in D & D rules. LARIAN! REFUND NOW!

First, you're not "forum police" and have neither right nor moral authority to dictate what other users are posting.

Didn't say I was "forum police." However, pointing out how the different subforums here at Steam are used is within my rights, and so is suggesting where this type of suggestion would be most effective, if you really want Larian to make changes to the game.

I honestly think it would be even more effective at Larian's own forum's Suggestion box, but I believe they do read the one here at Steam, if far less often.