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Blackdragon Mar 24, 2024 @ 2:51am
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So the only way to become a vampire is to be gay for Astarion?
I've made Astarion Vampire Ascendant, yet there was no option to ask him to make me a vampire.

Apparently that is because I did not pursue a romantic relationship with him. I am playing a male character who is straight, and rebuffed all of Astarion's advances. However, we still have an extraordinary relationship (i.e. close friendship).

So, the only way a player character can become a vampire is to either play as Astarion (who is gay/bi), or have a romance with Astarion? Straight male characters can't become a vampire?

This is some new level of woke pandering. Gate the vampire race behind literally being/roleplaying gay.

This game is such crap sometimes.
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pkd Mar 24, 2024 @ 2:55am 
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What sort of would-be vampire are you that you're not willing to trade your body for power? A minor inconvenience. You can always murderize Astarion after he's outlived his usefulness.
DrZann Mar 24, 2024 @ 2:57am 
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What world are you living on? Vampires have always been and always will be gay.
Blackdragon Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:02am 
Originally posted by Lord Adorable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w

"Who the hell cares?" Gee, I dunno, maybe people who have been eager to play as a vampire ever since Baldur's Gate 2 had an entire vampire faction you could side with (but who never offered to make you a vampire)?

Vampire is one of the most iconic monsters in D&D and in fantasy culture generally. D&D particularly is famous for making the vampire race available to player characters, through certain conditions. BG3 is the first game in the BG series - and probably the first D&D CRPG ever - to even have a vampire party member NPC. Moreover, BG3 gives that NPC a particular storyline that involves struggling with his vampire master and becoming an Ascendant.

I'm sure a lot of people wanted to finally get a chance of playing as a D&D vampire in BG3. And the game actually does offer this opportunity!

But only... if you romance the vampire party member who is a male??

So if you play a male character, you literally have to be gay to be able to become a vampire.

This is utterly ridiculous. They certainly didn't have to do this, since there's a whole "relationship" system with party members, which is specifically designed to handle these kinds of interactions. Why not make Astarion offer you vampirism at the maximum relationship level (Exceptional)? That would have made a whole lot more sense.

Not to mention there are several social skills like Intimidation and Persuasion that you can otherwise use in dialogue with other characters. But there is no option to use these skills to convince Astarion to make you a vampire.

So Larian literally discarded their own systems of interaction with party members and other NPCs, in favor of gating the vampire race behind literally being gay.

It only makes sense if they were doing it as part of a conscious woke pandering policy.
Blackdragon Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:05am 
Originally posted by pkd:
What sort of would-be vampire are you that you're not willing to trade your body for power? A minor inconvenience. You can always murderize Astarion after he's outlived his usefulness.

There is no way to "murderize Astarion after he's outlived his usefulness". And there is no way to "trade your body for power". You must make conscious decisions throughout the game to pursue a (gay if you are male) romance with Astarion, in order to get the option to become a vampire. So it's a reward for roleplaying a gay character.
Blackdragon Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:08am 
Originally posted by Lord Adorable:
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKPzKm3JdD8

You "care" enough to continue posting in this thread, apparently. You've literally posted 1 minute after the OP went up, and then immediately after my response to your first dismissive post.

Are you running cover for Larian here?
DrZann Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:10am 
Originally posted by Lord Adorable:
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKPzKm3JdD8
Space Ghost Coast to Coast! I knew you were a man of distinction and class.
The Geologist Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:13am 
What's wrong with having a wiener in your mouth for some sweet vampire powers?
TaKo Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:14am 
bait aside, astarion tells you why becoming a vampire is not easy, you need to drink the blood of the vampire who turned you into a spawn, and most vampires are not letting that happen, definitely not a newly born one with big personality changes from his sudden ascension

makes sense they'd only trust someone he's in a relationship with

would be funny if becoming his spawn was an option tho
pkd Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:16am 
Originally posted by The Geologist:
What's wrong with having a wiener in your mouth for some sweet vampire powers?
No pain - no gain.
Blackdragon Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:20am 
Originally posted by TaKo:
bait aside, astarion tells you why becoming a vampire is not easy, you need to drink the blood of the vampire who turned you into a spawn, and most vampires are not letting that happen, definitely not a newly born one with big personality changes from his sudden ascension

makes sense they'd only trust someone he's in a relationship with

would be funny if becoming his spawn was an option tho

But there is literally a "relationship" gauge between the MC and the party members, and my MC's relationship with Astarion is at the maximum level. Why does it only have to be a "romantic" relationship? Especially for a cold-blooded bastard like him, other considerations should be at the forefront (like having a powerful ally).
Woke Buster Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:32am 
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Originally posted by Blackdragon:
So if you play a male character, you literally have to be gay to be able to become a vampire
There are no "males" in Baldur's Gate 3. This concept doesn't exist there - you have people of different "body types" and custom "pronouns".

Unfortunately, the more wokeness devs add to their game, the less fun it becomes to play. There also should have been a werewolf bard dwarf companion, for example. Imagine having an option to become a werewolf, and have another cool companion for an evil run? Nah. Loud wokies wanted to have another druid, because he can become a bear and f**k you.

Larian made a deal with the devil: trying to survive through the COVID crisis, they went all in for the ESG rating and additional financing. I won't be surprised if all this nonsense in BG3 is related to Sweet Baby Inc. They are employed by the Wizard of the Coast after all...

So yeah, I think the only way to make vampires possible for normal players in BG3 is via mods. If they are ever going to add a proper mod support, of course. Which again, is not very likely. Because the same crowd doesn't want you to mod the wokeness out...
Last edited by Woke Buster; Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:34am
votadc Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:46am 
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
Originally posted by TaKo:
bait aside, astarion tells you why becoming a vampire is not easy, you need to drink the blood of the vampire who turned you into a spawn, and most vampires are not letting that happen, definitely not a newly born one with big personality changes from his sudden ascension

makes sense they'd only trust someone he's in a relationship with

would be funny if becoming his spawn was an option tho

But there is literally a "relationship" gauge between the MC and the party members, and my MC's relationship with Astarion is at the maximum level. Why does it only have to be a "romantic" relationship? Especially for a cold-blooded bastard like him, other considerations should be at the forefront (like having a powerful ally).
Why this gauge has zero effect? Also except for the little scene even romance (that for no reason has time limit) has zero effect, they even said that Tav in love with Astarion laugh when he Is burning (no idea why they choose to not make him Ascendant in that case).
Blackdragon Mar 24, 2024 @ 4:01am 
Originally posted by User-315-708:
Originally posted by Blackdragon:
So if you play a male character, you literally have to be gay to be able to become a vampire
There are no "males" in Baldur's Gate 3. This concept doesn't exist there - you have people of different "body types" and custom "pronouns".

Regardless, there is a "male" body type and a "male" pronoun, hence a "male" sex and gender identity. There are also references to males and females in dialogue (I'm pretty sure with Minthara, especially if you play as a male Drow).

Originally posted by User-315-708:
Unfortunately, the more wokeness devs add to their game, the less fun it becomes to play.

Sure, but it's not even about "fun", it's about making sense within their own design system.

They've designed an entire system of relationship with companions, and another for communicating with NPCs in general (social skill checks), yet they throw BOTH of these systems out of the window for one of the most important decisions in companion/NPC interaction, and do it SPECIFICALLY in a way that puts a gay romantic relationship into a privileged position.

So yeah, they gated the "fun" of playing a vampire behind the requirement of playing a gay dude or a female, but they also did it in a way that flies in the face of their own game design.

Meaning, they weren't "forced" to do it that way because of "technical limitations" (as in the case of romantic relationships being the only way of building "trust" or persuading companions). No, they've had ways of implementing this option without confining it to a romantic relationship. So forcing players to play as a gay male or a female in order to become a vampire was a conscious choice for Larian.

Originally posted by User-315-708:
Larian made a deal with the devil: trying to survive through the COVID crisis, they went all in for the ESG rating and additional financing. I won't be surprised if all this nonsense in BG3 is related to Sweet Baby Inc. They are employed by the Wizard of the Coast after all...

Yeah, it does look like they've "sold their soul" for ESG score.

Originally posted by User-315-708:
So yeah, I think the only way to make vampires possible for normal players in BG3 is via mods. If they are ever going to add a proper mod support, of course. Which again, is not very likely. Because the same crowd doesn't want you to mod the wokeness out...

Yeah, while there are mods which add various flavors of vampirism to BG3, I've yet to see one which allows to get it narratively from Astarion.
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