Was Sweet Baby Inc. involved in Baldures Gate 3

[GuardsmanOfCadia]

Was wondering is Sweet Baby Inc. was involved in BG3. BG3 is a has good game play but theres things that are kinda out of place.

[AokiYakumo]

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

Originally posted by AokiYakumo:

The answer to that question is no: Larian has had zero dealings with SBI in the production of BG3.

Shame. I would've bought 3 more copies if they did.

Meanwhile I am in the camp that is much too tired to give a sh*t.

I already own the game, it's good, simple as, end of.

Whether SBI was involved or not doesn't matter because of ^see above^.

The actions of some members involved with SBI were sh*tty (the person who sh*t on Toriyama hours after his passing despite having all the opportunity in the world to make such claims while he was alive is pure cowardice and a definite Dog-&-Pony Show, to state an example), and the statements made about terrifying companies who do not acquiesce to negotiations came off as EXTREMELY manipulative and psychotic, but other than that I have zero opinion on the company or its values.

[GuardsmanOfCadia]

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

Originally posted by GuardsmanOfCadia:

It matters when you have a game developer that has a vision of there game and it is warped and twisted from the artists original ideas. Consulting companies do not belong dictating our games and the artist that produce them.

They're not dictating anything. They're being asked for their opinions and the company consulting them is free to choose whether to take their advice or not. They're not holding guns to the devs' heads and forcing them to change anything.

Sadly to no offence but you dont realize the control propaganda that is being pushed on us.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Don't want to assume this is what OP was referring to but I am loving these folks assuming every game with non-hetero, non-cis content must be SBI.
"We've found a scapegoat! Its not that societal trends are leaving our antiquated attitudes behind, it was just a giant conspiracy by a single consulting company with a silly name! Hurrah!"

[iTemperence]

Originally posted by GuardsmanOfCadia:

It matters when you have a game developer that has a vision of there game and it is warped and twisted from the artists original ideas. Consulting companies do not belong dictating our games and the artist that produce them.

Well, you were already informed that SBI did not, in fact, work on this game.

So, it IS the developer's vision.


What you are angry about is that their vision doesn't align with yours.

[Vic]

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

Originally posted by TheAceOfSpodes:

There's a big difference between a story writing consultant going "Hey there's some plot holes here and here, we should change that" and a company like SBI using "fear tactics" (direct quote from the SBI CEO) on executives to force entire changes to the narrative and characters.

I literally don't know what you're talking about, nor do I see a reason why I should care about what they do.

He's talking about a quote from Kim Belair, co-founder for Sweet Baby Inc, where she is talking about how to market her services and advising people to "kind of scare people" paraphrased, into using the services provided so that they don't have any controversies that could happen due to poor representation or outright 'accidental' insults to minority groups.

The tl;dr of this is, its a nothingburger, its standard practice to tell companies what they risk by not having their games reviewed for sensitivity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfMsxjWgUbI

When looking at these quotemines from SBI opponents, be careful to remember that they use a lot of strawmen and love misrepresenting things people say by not including the context without any spin from a youtube pundit.

[Bray of Cats]

Isn't the point of these types of consulting firms to help developers use minority groups in a non-stereotypey way? The devs need to hire them, they don't just barge into offices and control everything with threats of canceling.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by Vic:

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

I literally don't know what you're talking about, nor do I see a reason why I should care about what they do.

He's talking about a quote from Kim Belair, co-founder for Sweet Baby Inc, where she is talking about how to market her services and advising people to "kind of scare people" paraphrased, into using the services provided so that they don't have any controversies that could happen due to poor representation or outright 'accidental' insults to minority groups.

The tl;dr of this is, its a nothingburger, its standard practice to tell companies what they risk by not having their games reviewed for sensitivity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfMsxjWgUbI

When looking at these quotemines from SBI opponents, be careful to remember that they use a lot of strawmen and love misrepresenting things people say by not including the context without any spin from a youtube pundit.

Concider me well & truly warned.

[AokiYakumo]

Originally posted by Bray of Cats:

Isn't the point of these types of consulting firms to help developers use minority groups in a non-stereotypey way? The devs need to hire them, they don't just barge into offices and control everything with threats of canceling.

Or even simpler than that. It's basically a sponsored "Second Set of Eyes".

It's like if you took the Discord of Many Things - a premiere community for D&D related homebrew - and hired them to comb over and review a 3rd-party product you wrote up for a TTRPG.

[AokiYakumo]

Anywho, I've fed the troll long enough.

I've got my eyes set on a new WLK build: Banshee Bow, Hunter's Circlet, Stormy Clamor Boots, Ring of Mental Inhibition + Coruscation Ring, equipping BoL for a permanent light source. Idea is to spam Fear, Mental Fatigue, and Radiant Orb effects to keep proccing Reverb and provide a massive damage amp for a ranged attacker.

[Brian_the_Brute]

Originally posted by GuardsmanOfCadia:

Was wondering is Sweet Baby Inc. was involved in BG3. BG3 is a has good game play but theres things that are kinda out of place.

Anyone denying any SBI involvement in BG3 have no proof of that at all, they just don't like hearing it and you can see the knee jerk negative reactions.

SBI lists WOTC on their website as one of their major customers. ...guess what? WOTC is on the loading screen as well and holds the D&D license.

So, for the bots and deniers, do you have any proof WOTC had ZERO input on the game?

[Cool Cereal]

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

Don't want to assume this is what OP was referring to but I am loving these folks assuming every game with non-hetero, non-cis content must be SBI.
"We've found a scapegoat! Its not that societal trends are leaving our antiquated attitudes behind, it was just a giant conspiracy by a single consulting company with a silly name! Hurrah!"

Yeah it’s actually hilarious. Like there must be a Big Bad that is inserting minorities into the “true gamer” games.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by GuardsmanOfCadia:

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

They're not dictating anything. They're being asked for their opinions and the company consulting them is free to choose whether to take their advice or not. They're not holding guns to the devs' heads and forcing them to change anything.

Sadly to no offence but you dont realize the control propaganda that is being pushed on us.

Well, since I can't see into your head to see your hallucinations, I don't "realize" the control propaganda you're seeing.

[Bray of Cats]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by GuardsmanOfCadia:

Was wondering is Sweet Baby Inc. was involved in BG3. BG3 is a has good game play but theres things that are kinda out of place.

Anyone denying any SBI involvement in BG3 have no proof of that at all, they just don't like hearing it and you can see the knee jerk negative reactions.

SBI lists WOTC on their website as one of their major customers. ...guess what? WOTC is on the loading screen as well and holds the D&D license.

So, for the bots and deniers, do you have any proof WOTC had ZERO input on the game?

Do you have proof they worked together during BG3 development?

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by GuardsmanOfCadia:

Was wondering is Sweet Baby Inc. was involved in BG3. BG3 is a has good game play but theres things that are kinda out of place.

Anyone denying any SBI involvement in BG3 have no proof of that at all

That's not how this works. It's on the people claiming they WERE involved to prove it. And, news flash: Larian isn't WotC.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by GuardsmanOfCadia:

Was wondering is Sweet Baby Inc. was involved in BG3. BG3 is a has good game play but theres things that are kinda out of place.

Anyone denying any SBI involvement in BG3 have no proof of that at all, they just don't like hearing it and you can see the knee jerk negative reactions.

SBI lists WOTC on their website as one of their major customers. ...guess what? WOTC is on the loading screen as well and holds the D&D license.

So, for the bots and deniers, do you have any proof WOTC had ZERO input on the game?

One cannot prove a negative. You are making the claim, you provide the proof. Basic stuff here.