Larian should stay away from ESG/DEI money

[Asgradow]

Larian's tremendous success put them on the map with biggest gaming studios. But Belgian developer should stay away from easy money from ESG/DEI funds if they want to continue their success in gaming industry.

To double their sales from Baldur's Gate 3, Larian shouldn't pander to DEI non-sense that became so spread in AAA gaming nowadays. I think DOS 3 should include more traditional Christian values, so they can broaden their player base and make even bigger profits.

Just look what is happening with games and studios involved with Sweet Baby Inc.! Larian will fall if they being caught within modern liberal agenda traps. I wish Larian continue being the great studio they, but they really need to back away from DEI practices.

[Altimely]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

I think on their own, Larian will make a good game. If they are pushed to alter content even more to placate activists for their next title however, it might not be the same hit as BG3.

It's only because of activists that BG3 is in the state that it is in. Historically, it wouldn't have been made with openly gay relationships and women who weren't created as plot devices for men.

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by GriffinPilgrim:

I know you wanna use this SBI flash-in-the-pan to have a scapegoat for the fact that society is trending away from reactionary ideals but did it ever occur to you that Larian's writers might actually really be okay with gay people?

Yes, I have. I am okay with it and I am sure Larian's writers are as well as they have publicly stated their stance on DEI.

BG3 isn't really creating a problem, but there are several other titles that are and went overboard on DEI and it ruined their entire game and were huge flops. When you make a game solely for 15%-20% of the market and neglect the rest, well that becomes your new market share and it's not going to be profitable in the long run if you aren't inclusive to people who don't want politics pushed in their face.

I just don't want the gaming industry to end up like Hollywood where it's making half the titles and half the money because they follow the lead of bad actors like SBI that aren't even gamers and just want to force propaganda into everything rather than make a good product. If SBI and companies are allowed to increase their influence unchecked, the next BG title might fall into the same trap as other games that tanked recently.

I think on their own, Larian will make a good game. If they are pushed to alter content even more to placate activists for their next title however, it might not be the same hit as BG3.

*citations needed*

[Brian_the_Brute]

Originally posted by Wokelander:

*citations needed*

-BRIAN_THE_BRUTE 3/11/2024. I did my research. My words are all you need.

If you don't agree, I would like to see your citations proving everything is going well in the film industry these days and DEI has had no effect on profitability for companies like Disney.

[Altimely]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by Wokelander:

*citations needed*

-BRIAN_THE_BRUTE 3/11/2024. I did my research. My words are all you need.

If you don't agree, I would like to see your citations proving everything is going well in the film industry these days and DEI has had no effect on profitability for companies like Disney.

The film industry has had multiple shifts over the decades for various reasons, mostly due to stagnation. If you're claiming that DEI effected profitability, the onus is on your to prove it.

[Brian_the_Brute]

Originally posted by Altimely:

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

I think on their own, Larian will make a good game. If they are pushed to alter content even more to placate activists for their next title however, it might not be the same hit as BG3.

It's only because of activists that BG3 is in the state that it is in. Historically, it wouldn't have been made with openly gay relationships and women who weren't created as plot devices for men.

Nothing new in D&D. BG3 is actually tamer in some ways than Temple of Elemental Evil which was made in 2003. Sharess' Carress is nothing compared to The Snake Pit in Nulb and they had gay pirates in town.

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by Wokelander:

*citations needed*

-BRIAN_THE_BRUTE 3/11/2024. I did my research. My words are all you need.

If you don't agree, I would like to see your citations proving everything is going well in the film industry these days and DEI has had no effect on profitability for companies like Disney.

That's really not how this works, especially not when your postulates are quite loaded

[Altimely]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by Altimely:

It's only because of activists that BG3 is in the state that it is in. Historically, it wouldn't have been made with openly gay relationships and women who weren't created as plot devices for men.

Nothing new in D&D. BG3 is actually tamer in some ways than Temple of Elemental Evil which was made in 2003. Sharess' Carress is nothing compared to The Snake Pit in Nulb and they had gay pirates in town.

They were implied or closeted, and not available for the player to openly romance.

LGTBQ developers worked on BG3 without having to hide their identities or sexual orientation. This is a new development in the west, as for much of history they would have to be closeted.

[Jaynoble55]

Originally posted by seeker1:

Originally posted by ShadowDark3:

OP asserts that leaning into a "Liberal agenda" will lead to the alienation of its players, and should instead lean into more traditional Christian (ie conservative) values.

Well, of course, there is also the fact that many Christian denominations are quite open to LGBT folks and even will perform LGBT weddings. These tend to be the more so-called "liberal" denominations, but they do exist. Southern Baptists might not do gay weddings, but Unitarian Universalists (for example) will. Not all Christians are conservatives. Here in the U.S. many Catholics support the Democrats. Often for historical reasons, going back to how Irish, Mexican, and Italian Catholic immigrants were treated.

I think as always turning these things into an either/or isn't really looking it at correctly, necessarily; here in my own country, the Christian Right or Christian nationalists have views that many other Christians reject. (Like Quakers, etc.)

I get that putting the name "original sin" in a game makes people think it would have Christian content, but AFAICT, for the D:OS games this doesn't seem to be true.

Apparently - again never played but I can read the WIki - seems like Rivellon actually has seven gods, although each seems connected to one of the races:

https://divinity.fandom.com/wiki/The_Seven_Gods

And then it looks like there is an "Ao" sort of god who rules over the other seven:

https://divinity.fandom.com/wiki/God_King

Doesn't look very much like the Sistine Chapel (LOL) and its depiction.

Also, relating to another recent topic: seems like Rivellon clerics are also fairly limited in their powers of healing/restoration (much like FR ones).

You are one of those types that think the democrats are the good guys and the parties magically switched places sometime before civil rights...........

Am I right?

Edit : Not a republican. I hate both groups :P

[DrZann]

Originally posted by Maraxus:

I checked the steam group behind the sweet baby inc drama and they list like 16 games... with how much people are talking about it i thought it'd be hundreds. Another storm in a teacup, go gamers!

I am starting to think that the guys that randomly show up to say that these culture wars are designed to keep people distracted from the real problems are right.
xD

My thoughts exactly.

[DrZann]

Originally posted by Altimely:

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Nothing new in D&D. BG3 is actually tamer in some ways than Temple of Elemental Evil which was made in 2003. Sharess' Carress is nothing compared to The Snake Pit in Nulb and they had gay pirates in town.

They were implied or closeted, and not available for the player to openly romance.

LGTBQ developers worked on BG3 without having to hide their identities or sexual orientation. This is a new development in the west, as for much of history they would have to be closeted.

I never finished that game but I thought you could romance one of the pirates...

[Brian_the_Brute]

Originally posted by DrZann:

Originally posted by Altimely:

They were implied or closeted, and not available for the player to openly romance.

LGTBQ developers worked on BG3 without having to hide their identities or sexual orientation. This is a new development in the west, as for much of history they would have to be closeted.

I never finished that game but I thought you could romance one of the pirates...

There were 2 pirates that you could romance that were gay/bi. Lodriss the bartender and Bertram, a mate by the ships. TOEE had minecraft level graphics compared to BG3 and nothing to really see, but there was a dominatrix and a sheep you could "romance" as well.

[DrZann]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by DrZann:

I never finished that game but I thought you could romance one of the pirates...

There were 2 pirates that you could romance that were gay/bi. Lodriss the bartender and Bertram, a mate by the ships. TOEE had minecraft level graphics compared to BG3 and nothing to really see, but there was a dominatrix and a sheep you could "romance" as well.

Haha. I thought Wasteland 3 was being groundbreaking with the goat in the brothel. TOEE beat them to it.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

Originally posted by Asgradow:

Larian's tremendous success put them on the map with biggest gaming studios. But Belgian developer should stay away from easy money from ESG/DEI funds if they want to continue their success in gaming industry.

To double their sales from Baldur's Gate 3, Larian shouldn't pander to DEI non-sense that became so spread in AAA gaming nowadays. I think DOS 3 should include more traditional Christian values, so they can broaden their player base and make even bigger profits.

Just look what is happening with games and studios involved with Sweet Baby Inc.! Larian will fall if they being caught within modern liberal agenda traps. I wish Larian continue being the great studio they, but they really need to back away from DEI practices.

That's a lot of words to say "WWWAAAAHHHH! DIVERSITY SCARES ME!"

That's why movies like Madame Web, the Eternals, The Marvels did so damn good. And games that had Sweet Baby Inc are universal flops. DEI is a suicide pill for a product.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by Brian_the_Brute:

Originally posted by DrZann:

I never finished that game but I thought you could romance one of the pirates...

There were 2 pirates that you could romance that were gay/bi. Lodriss the bartender and Bertram, a mate by the ships. TOEE had minecraft level graphics compared to BG3 and nothing to really see, but there was a dominatrix and a sheep you could "romance" as well.

They can be Gay or bi or whatever. People love the mass effect series. But you know what the difference is? They didn't have ♥♥♥♥ writing that made characters who's only traits are their sexual preference or their skin color.

[Retrowave Demon]

Originally posted by Salty Slothy:

They can be Gay or bi or whatever. People love the mass effect series. But you know what the difference is? They didn't have ♥♥♥♥ writing that made characters who's only traits are their sexual preference or their skin color.

This is true. Fact checked by Real Shepards.