Don't understand plot in regards to Voss and Raphael.

[Teasel]

So I turn up at the Caress to visit Raphael, and Voss is there asking the devil to help his people. Talk to Raphael after Voss leaves, and tell Raphael he's not getting anything from me, and Raphael says to come back if I change my mind.

Then it's off to talk to Voss and he wants me to find a hammer to free Orpheus. As much as I hate the squid dream guy, he's keeping my party from transforming. They need to fight an elder brain. Here's the problem, I've been railroaded into finding the hammer which frees Orpheus and not given the opportunity to say no. I don't understand this at all.

Does anyone know what is going on here? I've really lost the plot because it's not making sense at all.

[TypicalTyra]

You don't need the hammer unless u want to help voss, you can ignore him if you wish. Dream man has his own ambitions, Raphael has the hammer, Voss needs hammer to free Orpheus

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by subterranean:

Don't understand plot in regards to Voss and Raphael.
So I turn up at the Caress to visit Raphael, and Voss is there asking the devil to help his people. Talk to Raphael after Voss leaves, and tell Raphael he's not getting anything from me, and Raphael says to come back if I change my mind.

Then it's off to talk to Voss and he wants me to find a hammer to free Orpheus. As much as I hate the squid dream guy, he's keeping my party from transforming. They need to fight an elder brain. Here's the problem, I've been railroaded into finding the hammer which frees Orpheus and not given the opportunity to say no. I don't understand this at all.

Does anyone know what is going on here? I've really lost the plot because it's not making sense at all.

There must be more to your story. No chances you get "railroaded" like that without willing.

[Teasel]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by subterranean:

Don't understand plot in regards to Voss and Raphael.
So I turn up at the Caress to visit Raphael, and Voss is there asking the devil to help his people. Talk to Raphael after Voss leaves, and tell Raphael he's not getting anything from me, and Raphael says to come back if I change my mind.

Then it's off to talk to Voss and he wants me to find a hammer to free Orpheus. As much as I hate the squid dream guy, he's keeping my party from transforming. They need to fight an elder brain. Here's the problem, I've been railroaded into finding the hammer which frees Orpheus and not given the opportunity to say no. I don't understand this at all.

Does anyone know what is going on here? I've really lost the plot because it's not making sense at all.

There must be more to your story. No chances you get "railroaded" like that without willing.

What's there to say? Kept the dream figure alive although Vlaakith wanted him dead. I know Orpheus is held captive and the dream figure is using the power of Orpheus power to prevent my party from turning. So be it. (Reminder here that Laezel is in the process of turning against Vlaakith.)

Got quests to meet both Raphael and Voss, turn up to find Voss talking to Raphael about helping his people. Talk to Raphael after Voss leaves, deny dealing with the devil, go to talk to Voss and railroaded into finding a hammer to free Orpheus which my character doesn't want to do.

This is where everything falls apart for me. And I know you can ignore this request, but it's not about ignoring doing a quest, it's about needing some resolution as far as choice is concerned, like Voss getting angry for you refusing to find the hammer.

[Mike Garrison]

I don't know what the issue is. You could have just not gone to talk to Voss. You could have just not gone to talk to Raphael. You can still just ignore the hammer from now on.

You can go get the hammer from Raphael's house (will have to kill him), and then *still* not use the hammer.

Is the problem just that you don't like ignoring quests? Or leaving them incomplete?

If you are just looking for consequences, I suspect that Lae'Zel will eventually become upset with you if you refuse to release Orpheus.

[emreyigit1967]

I too don't understand the railroading, but there is stuff beyond the Hammer that is worth pilfering from the House of Hope.

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by emreyigit1967:

I too don't understand the railroading, but there is stuff beyond the Hammer that is worth pilfering from the House of Hope.

It's one of the highlight experiences of the game, as far as I am concerned. But you don't have to use the hammer even after you get it.

And it's got that great song....

[Delivor]

Take the hammer, Orpheus will help, this f@cker from the dreams is messing with you