Oath broken - for telling Arabella a fib?!

[brendan_in_china]

Honour mode. Act 2. Devotion Pal.

Rescue Arabella, sent her to camp, looking for her parents. Discover them, head back to camp...

First, in same conversation, I tell her haven't seen them. Then change of mind, tell her their fate, even say I'm sorry for her.

Oath breaker paladin appears in flash of fire/cloud of brimstone. Deep booming voice of dread, 'You have broken your oath!'

For what exactly?? Seriously, that little fib? I think so, or maybe because I flumphed the Insight check I know is rolled? Anyway, anyone come across this?

[Mike Garrison]

Did you lie?

Paladins are supposed to be more than just fighters with a bunch of magical smites. Really RPing one well can be difficult.

[brendan_in_china]

First, in same conversation, I tell her haven't seen them. Then change of mind, tell her their fate, even say I'm sorry for her.

Yes. Yes, that was a lie. Maybe a white lie, a fib even. But at its core, an untruth.

Kind of a bit petty though, don't you think?

[Mike Garrison]

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

Kind of a bit petty though, don't you think?

Guess it counted as a lie, though.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Devotion tenets specifically include Honesty. It's actually the first one listed, coming before Courage, Compassion, Honor and Duty.

"Honesty. Don't lie or cheat. Let your word be your promise.", as the PHB puts it.

[brendan_in_china]

Yeah, yeah. Guess talking to a child about their recently dead parents is kind of heavy topic. Chance to demonstrate compassion etc...

Mea culpa. Fair enough to break the oath.

[Ballpoint Man]

I do wish the game would give you an indication that something you're doing is against your oath.

It's just such a big penalty for a small dialogue option, where I'm fairly certain there are probably other places/times where you could lie and it wouldnt have given you an oath break.

[zero]

the first part of oath of dev is:

Honesty. Don't lie or cheat. Let your word be your promise.

[Toaster Maximus]

Originally posted by Ballpoint Man:

I do wish the game would give you an indication that something you're doing is against your oath.

It's just such a big penalty for a small dialogue option, where I'm fairly certain there are probably other places/times where you could lie and it wouldnt have given you an oath break.

You get details on what will break oaths up front and all playing a paladin really requires is good common sense after getting the basics. I find it easy, but then again in the real world I consider my word to be binding a person is only good has their word and one should be truthful no matter the cos unless they have given their word to keep something to themselves unless it will bring great harm to others basic old time stuff.

Guess having my own code in life makes playing paladins easy for me if not a bit dull. But paladins are pretty straight forward imho


Have a good one and god bless folks

[TheClosetSkeleton]

You are discovering what it means to be a paladin. Unwielding confidence and devotion in your oath above the consequences.

So yes, there's none of that "being careful" with them, if you promise to find them, and you find them, you report what you saw.

[Toaster Maximus]

Originally posted by TheClosetSkeleton:

You are discovering what it means to be a paladin. Unwielding confidence and devotion in your oath above the consequences.

So yes, there's none of that "being careful" with them, if you promise to find them, and you find them, you report what you saw.

Why the other parts of the code make sense with the honestly part, sure the truth will hurt but your oath makes it so you there for her after

[TheClosetSkeleton]

Originally posted by Toaster Maximus:

Originally posted by TheClosetSkeleton:

You are discovering what it means to be a paladin. Unwielding confidence and devotion in your oath above the consequences.

So yes, there's none of that "being careful" with them, if you promise to find them, and you find them, you report what you saw.

Why the other parts of the code make sense with the honestly part, sure the truth will hurt but your oath makes it so you there for her after

True, and again, while paladins are trustworthy and reliable, that are also never represented as tactful. Blunt and direct is what they are, kinda surprised people still use the "holy crusade paladin" as a template for DnD inspired games.

[Toaster Maximus]

Originally posted by TheClosetSkeleton:

Originally posted by Toaster Maximus:

Why the other parts of the code make sense with the honestly part, sure the truth will hurt but your oath makes it so you there for her after

True, and again, while paladins are trustworthy and reliable, that are also never represented as tactful. Blunt and direct is what they are, kinda surprised people still use the "holy crusade paladin" as a template for DnD inspired games.

Easier to do shades of grey with that ideal hence why oath of vengeance tends to be well liked

Comes back to just how life is in the modern world more shades of grey so easier for folks to get behind something like that rather then feeling deep down what is truly wholesome and such, the world does not reward true empathy anymore largely so some oaths are harder for folks to get imho

Sorry for typos and errors

[brendan_in_china]

Originally posted by TheClosetSkeleton:

So yes, there's none of that "being careful" with them, if you promise to find them, and you find them, you report what you saw.

True!

I think I might have selected the 'Paladin of Devotion - I'll find your parents' dialogue line with Arabella. Game appears to record that and enforce strictly.

[TheClosetSkeleton]

Originally posted by brendan_in_china:

Originally posted by TheClosetSkeleton:

So yes, there's none of that "being careful" with them, if you promise to find them, and you find them, you report what you saw.

True!

I think I might have selected the 'Paladin of Devotion' dialogue line with Arabella. Game appears to record that and enforce strictly.

If you wanna go as a rogue paladin, go oath of vengance, only way to break it is by not avenging someone, which is hard because nearly everyone that has been harmed is on your baase target list.

Otherwise, either settle in the RP, or go oathbreaker.

[brendan_in_china]

Originally posted by TheClosetSkeleton:

Blunt and direct is what they are, kinda surprised people still use the "holy crusade paladin" as a template for DnD inspired games.

Arthurian knights of the round table are classic; never going to go out of fashion.

Some TT dev explained rogues and paladins occupy special niches in D&D. Rogue for the player who wants more freedom from boundaries, and paladin player wanting more justice. Down to perspective of individual player.