Wulbren does not deserve the hate

[Tumppe]

I constantly keep seeing people hating on him and I just dont get it. He isn’t the best but who really is, I know he cares about Barcus but he just doesn’t want to show it

[Pyromaiden]

The Sultan of Salt původně napsal:

Tumppe původně napsal:

I constantly keep seeing people hating on him and I just dont get it. He isn’t the best but who really is, I know he cares about Barcus but he just doesn’t want to show it

He's basically Gnome IRA, pretty contentious.

Don't insult the IRA by comparing them to Wulbren.

[ULTRA]

Wulbren exists to supply me runepowder, no more

[KRON]

Tumppe původně napsal:

I constantly keep seeing people hating on him and I just dont get it. He isn’t the best but who really is, I know he cares about Barcus but he just doesn’t want to show it

He wanted to kill the gondians for no reason other than they were gondians. Even after telling him that their families were being held hostage, they had explosive collars on their necks and that they wanted to leave the city when aforementioned issues were resolved.

[Jaeleth]

ahsanford původně napsal:

OR he's a douchey bigot thug who totally deserves it

Bigot? Why bigot? Bigot about what? He's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ full of himself, granted, but bigot? Why?

[Scheneighnay]

As for the gondians, they all died while trying to fistfight the steel watch, so that moral dilemma sorted itself out for me.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Jaeleth původně napsal:

ahsanford původně napsal:

OR he's a douchey bigot thug who totally deserves it

Bigot? Why bigot? Bigot about what? He's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ full of himself, granted, but bigot? Why?

Against Gondians Religious bigotry.

[ahsanford]

Sir_Baldur původně napsal:

Barcus should be a companion - it's a great hero journey's arc. He goes from reluctant adventurer trying to rescue his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ friend into a leader of his people.

I hope Barcus gets a real place in my camp in the future.

A logical companion to add:

1) He's already in the game and people dig him
2) There are no short races in camp and we could use a few
3) He already has Act II and III personal quests lined up in the current game, he just would do them from within the party this way

Just needs a plausible class. BG3 doesn't really have a tinkerer build, but he's book smart and there are no Bards in the party... so some kind of Lore Bard / Illusionist combo?

- A

[ahsanford]

Jaeleth původně napsal:

Bigot? Why bigot? Bigot about what? He's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ full of himself, granted, but bigot? Why?

Literally one post higher up on this thread someone nailed it:

KRON původně napsal:

He wanted to kill the gondians for no reason other than they were gondians. Even after telling him that their families were being held hostage, they had explosive collars on their necks and that they wanted to leave the city when aforementioned issues were resolved.

Wulbren created an 'other' to rally his people to do unspeakable things.

Pretty cut and dry to me.

- A

[seeker1]

Barcus would be a perfect artificer. (If it could be in the game without a mod). Particularly an alchemist artificer, who in his case, would be excellent at crafting bombs, grenades, and explosives. After all, he DOES make the Brilliant Retort for you.

In fact, some of the best grenades in this game (like smokepowder bombs) CAN'T be made with alchemy. It would be cool if maybe this would be a unique ability for Barcus. He could make smokepowder bombs and arrows for the party. Maybe even make those unique concussion grenades it seems only Gortash's people know how to make? Hmmm.... tasty.

(Now I get it... they are crazy OP and even somebody like ME can see that ... so maybe Barcus could only make 1 concussion grenade per day, say.)

[Chaosolous]

He's a moody little man.

[Dr.Abscondus]

He was sadly killed while trying escape in my game. Classic. I could have saved him, but he kept running back to fight the guards when he was almost at the boat. Anger issues I guess. Unpleasant little man. The Putin of Baldur's Gate.

[Lily]

Wulbren is a Narcissistic Sociopathic Demagogue . He does not like Barcus, he sees him more as an object than a friend. When Barcus turns against him in the end if you persuade him to Wulbren is shocked but not hurt by this. He turns his rage to you. His reaction to it is like you stole Barcus from him, you stole his property, because that's how he views him. Friendship is a tool to Wulbren.

After you free him he sees you as a means to an end. Thinks of you as a servant and talks to you as such. Once you complete Moonrise if you talk to him he talks about how he was mistaken about you. But more in that he sees how strong you are and sees you as a useful tool to have. If you insult him here he just admits it, doesn't apologize, just sees his previous behavior as unimportant, just a thing that happens.

Wulbren is not a good person, he doesn't care about Barcus as a friend and he doesn't want you as a friend he wants assets to feed his ego.

I didn't kill him and had no desire to kill him. He's not sadistic, he doesn't seem to really relish the idea of killing but he's not shy about it either. He's the type of person who isn't interested in the Bhaalists but would contract them if it furthered his goals. He'll help you out in the end if you help him because he's pragmatic at times. You're useful and he does care for the city in a way. He's not dumb. Powerful heroes are useful allies if you can manipulate them by playing to their morals.