Gale vs Wyll?

[♡ HisGoodGirl ♡]

Is it just me that prefers Wyll to Gale combat-wise? I mean, I love both as characters but battle wise, I think Wyll is better in my personal opinion. What about you?

[id795078477]

Originally posted by glitch_weasel83:

Is it just me that prefers Wyll to Gale combat-wise? I mean, I love both as characters but battle wise, I think Wyll is better in my personal opinion. What about you?

I re-spec them both into something better anyways. Wyll has the only advantage of being positioned for the Sorlock build naturally. So combat-wise they're exactly what I want them to be hence no preference emerges.

[Govi]

The eternal question

[ULTRA]

If we're assuming base builds then you need Wyll anyway because he's your charisma character

[ahsanford]

If you...

* lack all discipline with spell casters and burn all their spells too quickly
* don't want to have to think too much about what spells you want for a given fight
* want some battlemage / melee vibes if you need to
* hate upcasting strategery and just want to blast stuff
* Don't have a high CHA character to do all your talking

...go with Wyll.

If you...

* are decent at not immediately burning all your spell slots
* like a little pre-battle thinking sesh to say 'hmmm what spells might I rotate in for this'
* want to throw fireballs into a crowd and never hit your party members
* love to Counterspell every time the game gives you the option to
* like learning all the spells possible and then just choosing from those you need before battle
* like the idea of upcasting as an added layer of strategy
* Don't have a high INT character to handle History / Nature / Religion / Investigation / Arcana checks

...go with Gale.

(I almost always take Gale.)

- A

[Ironwu]

In my experience, Warlock is best when Multi-Classed and used as an Eldritch Blast gun. Wizard is just all around better, in my opinion.

More Spells, More Slots, can change spells out of combat, can learn spells from scrolls, massive AoE damage. The list is almost endless.

I have played both and would not choose Warlock over Wizard. YMMV

[ahsanford]

Originally posted by ahsanford:

If you...

Wiz vs. Locks:

I see Wizards as classic D&D casters having massive daily 'batteries' for spells and waaaaaaay more spells to choose from.

I see Locks as throttled for spell slots and number of spells known so you have to make them count and you'd better like the spells you chose to have at the level up screen -- but all of them are punchy upcast versions of each spell, so they do tend to pop. They also have a way better daily driver cantrip in Eldritch Blast that you can really snazz up with leveling choices.

Wizards are undeniably better for huge pitched battles, boss fights, etc. simply because you can blow an entire day's worth of spells in one battle. Locks can't do that.

But Locks can become wilder / stranger things as you level, and CHA makes them superfriendly to multi-class with Bard, Sorc or Pally.

- A

[kbiz]

I didn't take either until I got to Baldur's Gate. Then I took Gale. A lvl 12 Wizard is a badass.

[ahsanford]

Originally posted by kbiz:

I didn't take either until I got to Baldur's Gate. Then I took Gale. A lvl 12 Wizard is a badass.

A L5 - L11 wizard is also a badass. Just saying. One thing in all the editions of D&D has always been true -- when a Wizard can start slinging fireballs and lightning bolts, they become a super powerful first strike sort of weapons platform.

- A

[Wahnwitzig]

Warlock multiclass and Sorcerer are better than Wizard. If I didn't want to respec for some reason, I would choose Wyll for Hunger of Hadar alone.

[nightwalker83137]

Yeah, Wyll seem to hold his own compared to Gale in combat. Maybe it is because he is not really a fighter nor a wizard but somewhere in between.

[jonnin]

there isn't a VS here. Default builds, you have a pure caster with limited spells who blows stuff up and then needs to sleep compared to a warrior/caster who cuts stuff into small pieces and casts spells to assist the real spell casters or to help manage huge fights. The warlock gets 6 casts per rest (2, short rest +2, short rest +2) and 8 if you have a bard along. For most of the game, gale has about 8 'big' spells as well (ignore level 1, he has 3,3, and 1-2 for act 1-2 for the most part). At endgame gale has more useful magic by a wide margin, but wyll is likely to multi-class around level 6 into more magic or more attacks per round or something, and will also be pulling his weight.

[kbiz]

Originally posted by ahsanford:

Originally posted by kbiz:

I didn't take either until I got to Baldur's Gate. Then I took Gale. A lvl 12 Wizard is a badass.

A L5 - L11 wizard is also a badass. Just saying. One thing in all the editions of D&D has always been true -- when a Wizard can start slinging fireballs and lightning bolts, they become a super powerful first strike sort of weapons platform.

- A

Good point. But there can be only one spellcaster at that point - usually. And Sorcerer trumps Wizard - in my opinion.

EDIT: To be clear, I take Gale at lvl 10 along with my Sorceress main character. 2x spellcaster, 2x Fighters.