How do you not find turn based RPGs boring/slow?

[Тривиум]

Hey guys,

I am a big fan of RPGs, but I don't understand how this game is a turn based RPG and still managed to reach half a million reviews meaning a huge fanbase!
How is it not boring to play a turn based RPG is my question? I love Diablo 2, Sacred, Dungeon Siege, Star Wolves series (Imagine Freelancer RPG with a squad!) etc., but I cannot imagine the majority of players liking a turn based type of a game. The whole pace is just slower.
Look at this slow pace of fighting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTSd02Kp-sI
I cannot imagine having a squad and micromanaging 5 people vs 5 enemies...

I was also surprised by how many People liked the Diablo 3 action RPG style - way different than Diablo 2.

P.S. - I forgot that I loved Knights of the old Republic. It is more of a slow and turn based game although you can chose to play it more dynamically by simply reducing the amount of pauses. It's more of a hybrid RPG.

[EricHVela]

Other people like things you don't.

I know. Shocker. Right?

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Тривиум:

How do you not find turn based RPGs boring/slow?
Hey guys,

I am a big fan of RPGs, but I don't understand how this game is a turn based RPG and still managed to reach half a million reviews meaning a huge fanbase!
How is it not boring to play a turn based RPG is my question? I love Diablo 2, Sacred, Dungeon Siege, Star Wolves series (Imagine Freelancer RPG with a squad!) etc., but I cannot imagine the majority of players liking a turn based type of a game. The whole pace is just slower.
Look at this slow pace of fighting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTSd02Kp-sI
I cannot imagine having a squad and micromanaging 5 people vs 5 enemies...

I was also surprised by how many People liked the Diablo 3 action RPG style - way different than Diablo 2.

The huge numbers of players is because it is turn based and therefore accessible.

As mentioned by EricHVela correctly, different people like different things.

At school you have
You have people in a baseball club.
You have people in a chess club.
Some are in both, most only on in them. Same principle for games. Racing simulation games are great and awesome, especially when you have the equipment to enjoy it fully. It is not my cup of tea. On the other hand I love Mario Kart.

[Daniel]

Because of the name. Half the buyers don’t go past Act 1, it’s just hype and FOMO. I mean, I’m probably as old school as it can get with these things, having suffered through everything starting at Amiga and Dos games, board games, card games like MTG but even I lost my steam (what a pun) by the time I hit Act 3 I just wanted it to end.

The problem is not in the game‘s volume, but the combat being horribly generic and boring even for a turn based game. Oh look, there’s a bunch of ladders and slopes leading to nowhere, guess what will happen here? Like you can literally tell when terrain or interiors start to feel unnatural or strange that there will be a fight happening.

[shademoooon]

DnD and Forgotten Realms has a massive following, to be fair i prefer Nerverwinter Online where i can play Forgotten realms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be6uT9t9RKs

[Aerohank]

It turns combat into a puzzle instead of a test of reflexes. It's nice for those of us who enjoy trying to solve puzzles.

[Yankee Axe]

patience is a virtue not many people have.

[DrZann]

I have a strong preference for turn based. I love the strategic challenge of turn based combat. It also is closer to the actual table top DnD experience.

[Aldain]

Because I don't have the attention span of a gnat?

[Aerohank]

It's also noteworthy that the video in the OP is doing a solo-run on a high difficulty. This requires a level of decision making that is far beyond what the average player will have to do in their playthroughs.

[Bloodwest]

Originally posted by Тривиум:

I am a big fan of RPGs, but I don't understand how this game is a turn based RPG and still managed to reach half a million reviews meaning a huge fanbase!
How is it not boring to play a turn based RPG is my question? I love Diablo 2, Sacred, Dungeon Siege, Star Wolves series (Imagine Freelancer RPG with a squad!) etc.,

Because you're a fan of action RPGs, not classic RPGs. You just want to kill stuff and some character progression. You are as a big fan of RPGs as Dark Souls/Witcher/ACreed fans are.

[Zeel Ara]

Empathy is being able to and willing to understand and relate to people who think and feel differently than you do. Empathy is one of the most defining aspects of a decent human being. Whenever you run into a situation where you can't understand others, consider it a chance to practice your ability to empathize, rather than celebrating your own inability to do so. It will make you a better person.

[𝕊𝕃𝕊𝔸𝕄𝔾♔]

After years of playing FPS and WoW exclusively, it was actually a refreshing change of scenery and pace. However, I burned myself out in the process by the time I hit Act 3, so I've yet to finish the game. I've got no intention on finishing the game anytime soon, and you're right to a degree; it gets tedious after a while, but then again, so does everything.

[seeker1]

Dammit, I hate this game called chess, where I have to move a piece, while thinking about what my opponent is going to do in response. It's so slow. I move a piece, he moves a piece, then I move a piece. So boring. Can't I just start moving around a whole bunch of pieces and get this over with quickly? Sheesh.

... sarcasm intended.

I actually do like Diablo ... liked Diablo 3 ... not playing Diablo 4 for a reason I won't belabor here ... I play WoW. I played Dungeon Siege, but holy f**k was it mind-numbing to play. I could literally set the whole damn thing on autopilot and do nothing but keep hitting the red and blue bottles. ARPGs are what they are. But give me control of a party of characters in either turn-based OR RTwP ... and I really get into the groove.

P.S. I actually like RTwP CRPGs, because they allow me to take all the time I want to think. while letting my enemy get his crap over with quickly, until I next decide to pause and stop and think about a new set of responses. I actually hesitated on this game because it had no RTwP. WotR had both modes - we can discuss whether they did either WELL - some people argue trying to do both meant they got NEITHER right - but anyway I personally used both modes in playing the game.

Anyway, although there are RTwP features I'd like in this game (most notably, being able to set pause conditions, like "pause when a trap is spotted.") I found ... ya know, it's really enjoyable without it. Which is not to say if some modder could ever figure out how to put a RTwP mode into the game, I wouldn't use it. They may not be able to given what they can and can't access in the game engine.

[brendan_in_china]

You don't have to micromanage your party members so much. I often opt for ease of use character builds and still trounce combats handily. Turn-based doesn't have to be slow.

[𝕊𝕃𝕊𝔸𝕄𝔾♔]

Originally posted by Daniel:

Because of the name. Half the buyers don’t go past Act 1, it’s just hype and FOMO

Probably because ACT 1 could be a game in and of itself? Do you know how long your average single-player campaign is on a modern title? It's less than 10 hours; ACT1 is 4 times the length, so you can't fault people for naturally wanting to take a pause. Moreover, turn-based RPGs don't retain these figures solely on FOMO.

Originally posted by Aldain:

Because I don't have the attention span of a gnat?

Calm down, Sheldon.