This game is not pushing any wokeness

[Reyn]

I mean seriously, I see so many people complaining about too much lgbtq-stuff or too many girl bosses in the game but I don’t think it’s true and actually pretty balanced overall.

Sure you have Nightsong who I personally think is obnoxious and a braggart. But aside from her I don’t get any "girl-boss" vibes from other characters in game, maybe Jaheira but she is old and comes across very naturally in my opinion but feel free to name the characters that bother you and you think fall into this category.

As for lgbt, again, Nightsong. But there are waaaay more straight relationships in the game. I can’t think of any gay couples in the game aside from aylin and isobel. And companions are player dependent anyway, so it’s fine for me too.

I always read things like "this game is full of girl bosses" or "wokeness" but I rarely see any examples. I’m not an advocate for any leftist agendas by any means, but come on people, be more precisely.

[Aerohank]

Straight men have been brainwashed by decades of media portraying men as amazing, extremely strong, Gary Suesses. Of course they are going to cry about immersion and agenda pushing when suddenly a game doesn't give them the special treatment they are so used to getting.

[Reyn]

Originally posted by Aerohank:

Straight men have been brainwashed by decades of media portraying men as amazing, extremely strong, Gary Suesses. Of course they are going to cry about immersion and agenda pushing when suddenly a game doesn't give them the special treatment they are so used to getting.

Men are amazing tho. As are women!

[AngryBeard]

I think we are talking about a vocal minority of extremism, and it exists on both sides of the spectrum.

As I see it, as the player of BG3, I get to decide if characters are gay or not with regard to the companions. It is just a fork in the code to give you the option.

If I'm playing a male character, and the romance "fork" comes up for Gale and I say no, as far I'm concerned, I just made the choice that neither my custom character nor Gale is gay.

This whole argument is quite stupid. I feel like BG3 is trying to be inclusive (the literal meaning of inclusive, not the crazy woke version), and that makes sense. The team at Larian wants as many people to play their game as possible. I think it's obvious that Larian is very passionate about the games they make and frankly the orientation of the characters have very little influence in the game.

The other option would be a toggle for gay/straight in the options, like nudity is? If they did that, the idiots on both sides of this argument would still complain.

The other side of the coin is just as bad, if not worse. My world doesn't revolve around sex. If you are into hamsters, for example, you do you. I just don't understand this need that these "people" have to scream at the top of their lungs about things that should be private.

Again, I think it's just a vocal minority (for both extremes) and that most of us just try to stay quiet and try to stay away from the lunacy that comes from all sides of this insanity.

[Moonlight Knight]

Originally posted by Captain Yikes:

Originally posted by Aerohank:

Straight men have been brainwashed by decades of media portraying men as amazing, extremely strong, Gary Suesses. Of course they are going to cry about immersion and agenda pushing when suddenly a game doesn't give them the special treatment they are so used to getting.

Men are amazing tho. As are women!

Yeah, if I see genuinely anti-man content or speech I tend to stomp it because there actually is a thread of certain places just being really disgusting towards men just on the basis that they're men, but the things that people tend to look at as doing that are not the things that are actually doing it in my experience.

BG3 isn't anti-man.

[Aerohank]

Originally posted by Captain Yikes:

Originally posted by Aerohank:

Straight men have been brainwashed by decades of media portraying men as amazing, extremely strong, Gary Suesses. Of course they are going to cry about immersion and agenda pushing when suddenly a game doesn't give them the special treatment they are so used to getting.

Men are amazing tho. As are women!

Yeah, but no man is going to solo kill the entire German war machine, or single handedly destroy a multi-racial alient covenant, or go to the literall hells to solo destroy hordes of demons. But that is the type of stuff men have been playing and watching for decades. So now, when a game comes along where women are also kicking butt, it breaks their immersion because surely, it's only realistic for men to single handedly save the galaxy. The sad part is that these brainwashed sheep can't see how brainwashed they are and think that developers like Larian are the ones trying to brainwash people.

[AnonymousWizard]

Originally posted by Captain Yikes:

As for lgbt, again, Nightsong. But there are waaaay more straight relationships in the game. I can’t think of any gay couples in the game aside from aylin and isobel. And companions are player dependent anyway, so it’s fine for me too.

There's also a gay couple among the deep gnomes, but so far I've only seen it come up in background chatter. Maybe Alfira is gay? I've never seen her survive Act 1 so I wouldn't know. I get the impression that the designers mostly paired up NPCs

Also all of the party members are canonically pansexual, and Astarion at least is implied to not be indiscriminate (he seems to prefer men). But honestly the only thing unrealistic about that is how they all came to be hanging out together, not that they are. Durge goes beyond that, they're attracted to things that have a pulse and some things that don't.

But as you point out, this LGBT content is a minor part of the game, and BG3 is nowhere near being queer fantasy. I'd love for it to be, but the vast majority of the LGBT stuff included is about being non-exclusionary.

[Clockwork]

Originally posted by Captain Yikes:

I mean seriously, I see so many people complaining about too much lgbtq-stuff or too many girl bosses in the game but I don’t think it’s true and actually pretty balanced overall.

Sure you have Nightsong who I personally think is obnoxious and a braggart. But aside from her I don’t get any "girl-boss" vibes from other characters in game, maybe Jaheira but she is old and comes across very naturally in my opinion but feel free to name the characters that bother you and you think fall into this category.

As for lgbt, again, Nightsong. But there are waaaay more straight relationships in the game. I can’t think of any gay couples in the game aside from aylin and isobel. And companions are player dependent anyway, so it’s fine for me too.

I always read things like "this game is full of girl bosses" or "wokeness" but I rarely see any examples. I’m not an advocate for any leftist agendas by any means, but come on people, be more precisely.

It is a little annoying that everyone wants to have sex with me regardless of gender, and without me even showing interest. I think Larian could've toned down the sex stuff.

[Adam__86]

TBF its just the same 8 people and their alts

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by Aerohank:

Straight men have been brainwashed by decades of media portraying men as amazing, extremely strong, Gary Suesses. Of course they are going to cry about immersion and agenda pushing when suddenly a game doesn't give them the special treatment they are so used to getting.

As a middle-aged straight man: you're not wrong, some of us just dealt with that particular trauma in a reasonable way, like learning to navigate that Santa wasn't real as kid

[EricHVela]

I never noticed. Even after reading these forums, I never noticed. Maybe it's there. Maybe it's not. I'm thinking it doesn't really matter in the scope of the stories.

I'll not bother to try to count how many of whom there are. Even after so many times that I played, it just wasn't worth distracting myself from the stories. People are people. Full stop.

[Tezz Da Man]

Arent all the deep gnomes gay/lesbian? and a couple in the factory in act 3. But I honestly don't care, end of the day its a fantasy game not a historical one so anything goes imo. As for girl bosses I don't see it personally and Nightsong coming from a god i think entitles her to act the way she does.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by GhostButter:

I think we are talking about a vocal minority of extremism, and it exists on both sides of the spectrum.

As I see it, as the player of BG3, I get to decide if characters are gay or not with regard to the companions. It is just a fork in the code to give you the option.

If I'm playing a male character, and the romance "fork" comes up for Gale and I say no, as far I'm concerned, I just made the choice that neither my custom character nor Gale is gay.

This whole argument is quite stupid. I feel like BG3 is trying to be inclusive (the literal meaning of inclusive, not the crazy woke version), and that makes sense. The team at Larian wants as many people to play their game as possible. I think it's obvious that Larian is very passionate about the games they make and frankly the orientation of the characters have very little influence in the game.

The other option would be a toggle for gay/straight in the options, like nudity is? If they did that, the idiots on both sides of this argument would still complain.

The other side of the coin is just as bad, if not worse. My world doesn't revolve around sex. If you are into hamsters, for example, you do you. I just don't understand this need that these "people" have to scream at the top of their lungs about things that should be private.

Again, I think it's just a vocal minority (for both extremes) and that most of us just try to stay quiet and try to stay away from the lunacy that comes from all sides of this insanity.

The thing is that they designed the game ‘old school’ and then slapped bewbs on a couple leader and in-charge NPCs and checked off a list: where do we need one more black, one more gay here and that’s exactly how it feels. Forced.

When there’s NPCs who only exist to drop their his husband/her wife line like a stealth bomber and then disappear into meaninglessness.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Originally posted by Daniel:

Originally posted by GhostButter:

I think we are talking about a vocal minority of extremism, and it exists on both sides of the spectrum.

As I see it, as the player of BG3, I get to decide if characters are gay or not with regard to the companions. It is just a fork in the code to give you the option.

If I'm playing a male character, and the romance "fork" comes up for Gale and I say no, as far I'm concerned, I just made the choice that neither my custom character nor Gale is gay.

This whole argument is quite stupid. I feel like BG3 is trying to be inclusive (the literal meaning of inclusive, not the crazy woke version), and that makes sense. The team at Larian wants as many people to play their game as possible. I think it's obvious that Larian is very passionate about the games they make and frankly the orientation of the characters have very little influence in the game.

The other option would be a toggle for gay/straight in the options, like nudity is? If they did that, the idiots on both sides of this argument would still complain.

The other side of the coin is just as bad, if not worse. My world doesn't revolve around sex. If you are into hamsters, for example, you do you. I just don't understand this need that these "people" have to scream at the top of their lungs about things that should be private.

Again, I think it's just a vocal minority (for both extremes) and that most of us just try to stay quiet and try to stay away from the lunacy that comes from all sides of this insanity.

The thing is that they designed the game ‘old school’ and then slapped bewbs on a couple leader and in-charge NPCs and checked off a list: where do we need one more black, one more gay here and that’s exactly how it feels. Forced.

no, it doesnt. all of it has existed in the world far before BG3 game around.

on that note, hey i don't like white people being forced on me where can i complain?

[seeker1]

So, it just amazes me that everybody says Sven Vincke is supposed to be promoting this "radical LGBT agenda". Really? Google him people - he's married with 4 kids and has a dog named Gustav. As vanilla as it gets.

I still say Sven has one definite agenda in this game. To make as much money as he could. And he made a lot. Fine. I'm not anti-capitalist. He's entitled to it. Whatever is in the game, they put it there because they thought they would sell more copies of it.

... I'm not saying they didn't make wrong-headed decisions, I'm not saying they didn't reach ones with which folks would disagree ... all that is true ... but I'm just saying, there was no deeper agenda, no malevolent Illuminati force somehow "forcing" them to make the game they made. It's the result of their choices. And I'm not saying they might not have slipped in some social commentary. Few games ever completely avoid doing this totally - well at least those not like Pong, or Tetris, or Solitaire. CRPGs usually do.

But a political agenda? Like Larian is trying to influence who people vote for? RIDICULOUS. Not in Belgium, the U.S., or anywhere else.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Dr. Sinclair:

Originally posted by Daniel:

The thing is that they designed the game ‘old school’ and then slapped bewbs on a couple leader and in-charge NPCs and checked off a list: where do we need one more black, one more gay here and that’s exactly how it feels. Forced.

no, it doesnt. all of it has existed in the world far before BG3 game around.

There’s no explanation or backstory as to why Kagha is an unnaturally super aggressive and dominant female, because she was created for BG3.

There’s no explanation or backstory as to why that Absolute Cult high-ranking cultist (whatever her name was) is an unnaturally aggressive and dominant female, because she was created for BG3.

Should we go on? These were men that got their gender changed when it was time for the quotas before release.