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Tielos Jan 31, 2024 @ 10:42am
Sacred Flame HAS to be broken
Casting in the Withers tomb against one of the undead there. He has -1 to dex (8) and she misses 3 times in a row...
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アンジェル Jan 31, 2024 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by Tielos:
Sacred Flame HAS to be broken
Casting in the Withers tomb against one of the undead there. He has -1 to dex (8) and she misses 3 times in a row...

Something somewhat perception confirmation bias.

Check the combat log.
Dylan Jan 31, 2024 @ 10:52am 
RNG do be random sometimes
EricHVela Jan 31, 2024 @ 10:54am 
Never been a problem for my Shadowhearts. Misses occasionally. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Frustrating when it's more. Satisfying when it's less.
AngryBeard Jan 31, 2024 @ 11:28am 
This is a common misunderstanding of how math works.
Each dice roll is an independent event. (Assuming Karmic dice is off. )

The previous roll has zero influence on the next roll.
(Also not technically true here since computers are incapable of true randomness, and theoretically you could predict the next roll if you understood the seed and the formula used... but this is irrelevant for this discussion.)

Just because you failed a roll, does not mean the next roll is more likely to succeed.

Statistics state that you should have an x% of rolls that succeed. This is better interpreted as a limit. The more rolls you have in the dataset, the closer you will get to that percentage (aka limit). With just 3 rolls, there is little to no expectation that this result would be close to that x%.
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EricHVela Jan 31, 2024 @ 11:34am 
Originally posted by Tielos:
Casting in the Withers tomb against one of the undead there. He has -1 to dex (8) and she misses 3 times in a row...
Trivia: AC is not tied to a Dex bonus except for specific situations. It is possible to have a creature with natural armor that moves like a slug with high AC and low Dex.
Dr. Sinclair Jan 31, 2024 @ 11:37am 
i know this is wild, but:
RNG is random
AngryBeard Jan 31, 2024 @ 11:47am 
Originally posted by EricHVela:
Originally posted by Tielos:
Casting in the Withers tomb against one of the undead there. He has -1 to dex (8) and she misses 3 times in a row...
Trivia: AC is not tied to a Dex bonus except for specific situations. It is possible to have a creature with natural armor that moves like a slug with high AC and low Dex.

(FYI, Sacred Flame requires a DEX saving throw to negate damage)
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Sacred_Flame

So in this case, the Dex "bonus" of the skeleton does apply a -1 to the saving throw it rolls. Not sure what the DC for Sacred flame would be for a low level default Shadowheart, but I would guess it would be something like 13? (8 ,+ 3 for wisdom bonus, +2 for wisdom proficiency?)

So the skeleton would have a (20-14)/20 chance to succeed? So that would be 30%?
% chance to hit for Shadowheart would be about 70% here?
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Mojo Jan 31, 2024 @ 11:48am 
I kind of have to side with OP here (If they are in fact talking about Shadowheart.)
If I leave her as default Trickery domain, it seems like she can never hit the broad side of a barn. I am not claiming the dice aren't fair etc. It just seems to be SH left as trickery, (in my case in many play throughs), she is kinda like Stevie Wonder when lobbing spells. :)
Last edited by Mojo; Jan 31, 2024 @ 11:48am
AngryBeard Jan 31, 2024 @ 11:52am 
Originally posted by Mojo:
I kind of have to side with OP here (If they are in fact talking about Shadowheart.)
If I leave her as default Trickery domain, it seems like she can never hit the broad side of a barn. I am not claiming the dice aren't fair etc. It just seems to be SH left as trickery, (in my case in many play throughs), she is kinda like Stevie Wonder when lobbing spells. :)

Agree with you 100%. I do not like Shadowheart's default subclass and the default stat spread. The other issue with Shadowheart is that as she is a 1/2 Elf, so her firebolt is based on INT. She doesn't really have a good option for damaging cantrips with the default setup.
Last edited by AngryBeard; Jan 31, 2024 @ 11:55am
Carynara Jan 31, 2024 @ 1:40pm 
Originally posted by Tielos:
Casting in the Withers tomb against one of the undead there. He has -1 to dex (8) and she misses 3 times in a row...
Assuming we're talking about Shadowheart? The trick is to respec her as soon as you pick her up on the beach. Sort out her stats, pick a decent subclass and enjoy the benefits of a proper cleric in your party.

I picked War domain and am loving her reaction ability that negates misses. If Lae'zel misses a swing on her big stun, SH just goes "wait, try that again" and *bam* there we go, stun lands and we prevail. Yay. Super op especially compared to the default *miss*, *miss*, *miss*...
Tielos Feb 1, 2024 @ 7:22pm 
Originally posted by Carynara:
Originally posted by Tielos:
Casting in the Withers tomb against one of the undead there. He has -1 to dex (8) and she misses 3 times in a row...
Assuming we're talking about Shadowheart? The trick is to respec her as soon as you pick her up on the beach. Sort out her stats, pick a decent subclass and enjoy the benefits of a proper cleric in your party.

I picked War domain and am loving her reaction ability that negates misses. If Lae'zel misses a swing on her big stun, SH just goes "wait, try that again" and *bam* there we go, stun lands and we prevail. Yay. Super op especially compared to the default *miss*, *miss*, *miss*...

Wait, am I missing something? You have to wait until withers to respec followers, don't you? You are stuck with SH, Astarion, Gayle as they are until Withers gives that option, or am I wrong?
I'll say the same thing I always do when this comes up - record your rolls and look at the total numbers, like I did. I guarantee you they're not as wonky as they at first seem.
Angel Feb 1, 2024 @ 7:44pm 
Originally posted by Tielos:
Originally posted by Carynara:
Assuming we're talking about Shadowheart? The trick is to respec her as soon as you pick her up on the beach. Sort out her stats, pick a decent subclass and enjoy the benefits of a proper cleric in your party.

I picked War domain and am loving her reaction ability that negates misses. If Lae'zel misses a swing on her big stun, SH just goes "wait, try that again" and *bam* there we go, stun lands and we prevail. Yay. Super op especially compared to the default *miss*, *miss*, *miss*...

Wait, am I missing something? You have to wait until withers to respec followers, don't you? You are stuck with SH, Astarion, Gayle as they are until Withers gives that option, or am I wrong?

nah you aren't missing anything
DeMasked Feb 1, 2024 @ 8:07pm 
Sacred Flame is kinda crappy due to the save being easy for enemies to get.

It's kinda good in that it can ignore obstructions unlike other ranged attacks and it ignores elevation issues. It ignores disadvantage rules unlike other spells or ranged attacks.

I remember in Solasta there was a Cleric Subclass that made enemies have disadvantage for the Sacred Flame DEX save check.

For BG3 there are probably ways to make it better / consistent including respecing your Cleric to have higher wisdom.

Or you could waste a feat for Spell Sniper to get Eldritch Blast which would scale off your Wisdom and make you crit on 19+20 for spells. But... that could be waste. Alert, +2 stats, or War Caster are better.
Quillithe Feb 1, 2024 @ 9:47pm 
Honestly just give Shadowheart a bow
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