White Wyll being banned from Nexus is so stupid. People can still make him white.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

I really don't get it. Did Nexus fold to non existent public pressure again?

[Bob!]

✙205🍉🐆→ a écrit :

Okay, they banned white Wyll, but why did they ban the Wylls of Toril?

The usual. Redditors mass reporting it along with their discord buddies.
They reported it for "Whitewashing" when 2/3 variants that existed were using Wyll's default skin tone, and the remaining one was a middle eastern variant.. (the most popular one).
Fortunately the mod is currently only "under review". I presume they're waiting a few weeks for the redditors to stop crying, then may restore it.
The mod is currently still available from the author's github, from what I can see.

[Diomedes]

yahboi1988 a écrit :

Metallicus a écrit :

People should be able to play the game however they wish. It literally doesn’t affect anyone else, but the person who is playing with the mod installed.

Then keep it to yourself. You can't expect to come to a public forum for support for your racist B/S. Complain to Nexus. Not to us.

The problem with this, is Nexus mods have hosted far worse mods, so when they take a stand with this.. We are to assume they in fact are supporting the worse mods (like child brides in some games) based upon moral principals. Which says more about them, then this person ever does, because from this position we can assume they'd have no qualms with you wanting to do that doing that with swapping the white characters.

[Bob!]

Banelord a écrit :

"Whitewashing" Wyll is basically the same as "blackwashing" Cleopatra - same principle, different nuances.

Not really. One is an optional mod, transparent in that it's a custom change to the existing fictional char.

The other is people attempting to re-write history for a non-fictional person and pretending something other than reality is fact.

If there was a game with Cleopatra in it and someone made a "black" variant as a custom change (and wasn't pretending that was the reality), that's fine! The whole point of mods is to enjoy something different to the default.

[✙205🍉🐆→]

Bob! a écrit :

✙205🍉🐆→ a écrit :

Okay, they banned white Wyll, but why did they ban the Wylls of Toril?

The usual. Redditors mass reporting it along with their discord buddies.
They reported it for "Whitewashing" when 2/3 variants that existed were using Wyll's default skin tone, and the remaining one was a middle eastern variant.. (the most popular one).
Fortunately the mod is currently only "under review". I presume they're waiting a few weeks for the redditors to stop crying, then may restore it.
The mod is currently still available from the author's github, from what I can see.

retort question

[Diomedes]

Banelord a écrit :

Altimely a écrit :

Yea we know, you lot love to ignore or hand-wave history.



And the same anti-LGBT activists in every thread.

If one was attentive enough, you can immediately see how this minority is so vocal, yet so tiny.

"Sins of the fathers", in this case not even fathers, can not apply in 2024. Today the situation is drastically different.

"Whitewashing" Wyll is basically the same as "blackwashing" Cleopatra - same principle, different nuances.

Imagine trying to claim that altering the characteristics of a fictitious character, in ones personal game, that no one can see, that is a complete work of ficiton.. Is the exact same as doing it for a mass broadcasted self proclaimed historically accurate documentary of a key person in a nation and culture's history. I'm losing IQ points reading this.

[Altimely]

Banelord a écrit :

Altimely a écrit :

Yea we know, you lot love to ignore or hand-wave history.



And the same anti-LGBT activists in every thread.

If one was attentive enough, you can immediately see how this minority is so vocal, yet so tiny.

"Sins of the fathers", in this case not even fathers, can not apply in 2024. Today the situation is drastically different.

"Whitewashing" Wyll is basically the same as "blackwashing" Cleopatra - same principle, different nuances.

It's happening in 2024. You live under a rock AND you hand-wave history; astounding.

Also this "sins of our fathers" line is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You have to understand historic context to understand WHY this topic is even happening now. Why there is a double standard on nexus (but also, not? There IS a mod on nexus that white-washes BG3.)

[The_Dipl0mat]

Banelord a écrit :

The_Dipl0mat a écrit :

Oh hey, a racist
Gross

No more the racism in "whitewashing" Wyll than in "blackwashing" teh established characters or lore in any fandom.

So undiplomatically biased, tsk.

True inclusivity means creating diverse characters with depth and authenticity, not changing existing ones. See black Legolas (Don Lemonlas), black Aragorn, indian Numenoreans, black Cleopatra, black FEMALE Viking jarl, etc. and teh rest of the disgusting examples i deign not mention.

Traditional "historical injustice" excuses do not apply in this case IMO. By 2024, perspectives in the US are shifting, and theres a growing sentiment that the context for discussing racial representation needs to update with the times. It's becoming more about creating new opportunities and stories that reflect today's diverse society, rather than only addressing past inequalities.

Oh yeah you're right, they're totally just modding out the single black companion for purely wholesome reasons. Surely, nobody would ever do that for racist reasons right?

[Wokelander]

Diomedes a écrit :

yahboi1988 a écrit :

Then keep it to yourself. You can't expect to come to a public forum for support for your racist B/S. Complain to Nexus. Not to us.

The problem with this, is Nexus mods have hosted far worse mods, so when they take a stand with this.. We are to assume they in fact are supporting the worse mods (like child brides in some games) based upon moral principals. Which says more about them, then this person ever does, because from this position we can assume they'd have no qualms with you wanting to do that doing that with swapping the white characters.

I have a hard time imagining any "child bride" mods being available on Nexusmods but I'm curious to see some documentation for it

[Orion Invictus]

Wokelander a écrit :

Diomedes a écrit :

The problem with this, is Nexus mods have hosted far worse mods, so when they take a stand with this.. We are to assume they in fact are supporting the worse mods (like child brides in some games) based upon moral principals. Which says more about them, then this person ever does, because from this position we can assume they'd have no qualms with you wanting to do that doing that with swapping the white characters.

I have a hard time imagining any "child bride" mods being available on Nexusmods but I'm curious to see some documentation for it

I'm still waiting for a single person making that claim to either put their money where their mouth is and report it, or give ME the link so I can report it.

[Toxic Spammer]

The_Dipl0mat a écrit :

Banelord a écrit :

No more the racism in "whitewashing" Wyll than in "blackwashing" teh established characters or lore in any fandom.

So undiplomatically biased, tsk.

True inclusivity means creating diverse characters with depth and authenticity, not changing existing ones. See black Legolas (Don Lemonlas), black Aragorn, indian Numenoreans, black Cleopatra, black FEMALE Viking jarl, etc. and teh rest of the disgusting examples i deign not mention.

Traditional "historical injustice" excuses do not apply in this case IMO. By 2024, perspectives in the US are shifting, and theres a growing sentiment that the context for discussing racial representation needs to update with the times. It's becoming more about creating new opportunities and stories that reflect today's diverse society, rather than only addressing past inequalities.

Oh yeah you're right, they're totally just modding out the single black companion for purely wholesome reasons. Surely, nobody would ever do that for racist reasons right?

everybody has preferences right, why can you turn male characters into women but not this, seems arbitrary

[Wokelander]

Orion Invictus a écrit :

Wokelander a écrit :

I have a hard time imagining any "child bride" mods being available on Nexusmods but I'm curious to see some documentation for it

I'm still waiting for a single person making that claim to either put their money where their mouth is and report it, or give ME the link so I can report it.

I mean I have no doubt they exist but I have serious doubt they exist on Nexusmods, and I've spent a fair bit of time there

[Cool Cereal]

This is satire, right?

[Cass]

Ding Pao Chinese Spy a écrit :

The_Dipl0mat a écrit :

Oh yeah you're right, they're totally just modding out the single black companion for purely wholesome reasons. Surely, nobody would ever do that for racist reasons right?

everybody has preferences right, why can you turn male characters into women but not this, seems arbitrary

Hey Siri, what is context?

[Toxic Spammer]

Banelord a écrit :

Altimely a écrit :

Yea we know, you lot love to ignore or hand-wave history.



And the same anti-LGBT activists in every thread.

If one was attentive enough, you can immediately see how this minority is so vocal, yet so tiny.

"Sins of the fathers", in this case not even fathers, can not apply in 2024. Today the situation is drastically different.

"Whitewashing" Wyll is basically the same as "blackwashing" Cleopatra - same principle, different nuances.

cleopatra was a historical figure that understanding the race of has sociological implications, basically by making the most powerful historical ruler of egypt a black person instead of a mixed person you minimize the history of the people of egypt, it's like saying george washington was an indian man, or that genghis khan was black, you're disrespecting people's heritage

but just some random character in a game doesn't matter at all

[Toxic Spammer]

Cass a écrit :

Ding Pao Chinese Spy a écrit :

everybody has preferences right, why can you turn male characters into women but not this, seems arbitrary

Hey Siri, what is context?

I dunno, people have different preferences, seems ok, you can make white characters black but not the other way around