The Aylin anomaly...

[Jaeleth]

Isn't Aylin a canon or rules breaker?
I'm not an "Aasimar expert" but...

Aren't the Devas the only winged Aasimar? Thus making Aylin a Deva.

As far as I know Aasimar are mortal...

Can, even the flying Aasimar, use "fly" as many times they want?

Aren't Aasimar the children of Celestials and humans? In which case how would Aylin be an Aasimar when her mother is a Goddess?

[Jaeleth]

GriffinPilgrim eredeti hozzászólása:

Plus knights are usually referred to by first name. It's "Sir Lancelot" not "Sir du Lac."

Yes. When using "Sir", first name, if using "Lord", then last name.
So Sir Lancelot or Lord du Lac.
Dame Aylin, Aylin first name.

[Panda-Bishop]

According to Volo's Guide to Monsters:

Aasimar bear within their souls the light of the heavens. They are descended from humans with a touch of the power of Mount Celestia, the divine realm of many lawful good deities. Aasimar are born to serve as champions of the gods, their births hailed as blessed events. They are a people of otherworldly visages, with luminous features that reveal their celestial heritage.

An aasimar, except for one who has turned to evil, has a link to an angelic being. That being – usually a deva – provides guidance to the aasimar, though this connection functions only in dreams. As such, the guidance is not a direct command or a simple spoken word. Instead, the aasimar receives visions, prophecies, and feelings.

Unless there's a lot of embellishment going on and Aylin's only being referred to as a "daughter of Selune" in a non-literal sense, she can't be an aasimar based on that description. If we look at the stats of an aasimar, they never develop immortality as a racial ability (certainly not by level 11), they only have a lifespan of around 160 years, which is impressive for a fancy human, but immortality it ain't.

Now if we look at the Dungeon Master's Guide:

Quasi-deities have a divine origin, but they don't hear or answer prayers, grant spells to clerics, or control aspects of mortal life. They are still immensely powerful beings, and in theory they could ascend to godhood if they amassed enough worshipers. Quasi-deities fall into three subcategories: demigods, titans, and vestiges.

Demigods are born from the union of a deity and a mortal being. They have some divine attributes, but their mortal parentage makes them the weakest quasi-deities.

By that description, Aylin is definitely a demigod and her immortality can be handwaved as a result of her mother being a Greater Deity (and why Bhaalspawns don't get it, because their father is only a Lesser Deity).

It looks like it's just a case of Larian getting the name wrong.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Panda-Bishop eredeti hozzászólása:

According to Volo's Guide to Monsters:

Aasimar bear within their souls the light of the heavens. They are descended from humans with a touch of the power of Mount Celestia, the divine realm of many lawful good deities. Aasimar are born to serve as champions of the gods, their births hailed as blessed events. They are a people of otherworldly visages, with luminous features that reveal their celestial heritage.

An aasimar, except for one who has turned to evil, has a link to an angelic being. That being – usually a deva – provides guidance to the aasimar, though this connection functions only in dreams. As such, the guidance is not a direct command or a simple spoken word. Instead, the aasimar receives visions, prophecies, and feelings.

Unless there's a lot of embellishment going on and Aylin's only being referred to as a "daughter of Selune" in a non-literal sense, she can't be an aasimar based on that description. If we look at the stats of an aasimar, they never develop immortality as a racial ability (certainly not by level 11), they only have a lifespan of around 160 years, which is impressive for a fancy human, but immortality it ain't.

Now if we look at the Dungeon Master's Guide:

Quasi-deities have a divine origin, but they don't hear or answer prayers, grant spells to clerics, or control aspects of mortal life. They are still immensely powerful beings, and in theory they could ascend to godhood if they amassed enough worshipers. Quasi-deities fall into three subcategories: demigods, titans, and vestiges.

Demigods are born from the union of a deity and a mortal being. They have some divine attributes, but their mortal parentage makes them the weakest quasi-deities.

By that description, Aylin is definitely a demigod and her immortality can be handwaved as a result of her mother being a Greater Deity (and why Bhaalspawns don't get it, because their father is only a Lesser Deity).

It looks like it's just a case of Larian getting the name wrong.

The offspring of a god and a mortal could be a demigod but they don't have to be, it depends on the circumstances of their birth. The Seven Sisters for example are all children of Mystra and a mortal man but none are demigods. In that case Mystra was possessing a human woman. But they are all counted as her children.
If Selune was in Avatar form when she had Aylin she'd likely be an Aasimar. That happened a lot in Mulhorand and Unther, which were for a long time directly ruled by their gods in Avatar form.
Bhaal was not a Lesser Deity when he created the Bhaalspawn, that was pre Time of Troubles, he was an Intermediate Deity then.
Plus that description of quasi-deities is incomplete; the Dead Three are quasi-deities due to being depowered.

[Panda-Bishop]

GriffinPilgrim eredeti hozzászólása:

Panda-Bishop eredeti hozzászólása:

According to Volo's Guide to Monsters:

Unless there's a lot of embellishment going on and Aylin's only being referred to as a "daughter of Selune" in a non-literal sense, she can't be an aasimar based on that description. If we look at the stats of an aasimar, they never develop immortality as a racial ability (certainly not by level 11), they only have a lifespan of around 160 years, which is impressive for a fancy human, but immortality it ain't.

Now if we look at the Dungeon Master's Guide:

By that description, Aylin is definitely a demigod and her immortality can be handwaved as a result of her mother being a Greater Deity (and why Bhaalspawns don't get it, because their father is only a Lesser Deity).

It looks like it's just a case of Larian getting the name wrong.

The offspring of a god and a mortal could be a demigod but they don't have to be, it depends on the circumstances of their birth. The Seven Sisters for example are all children of Mystra and a mortal man but none are demigods. In that case Mystra was possessing a human woman. But they are all counted as her children.
If Selune was in Avatar form when she had Aylin she'd likely be an Aasimar. That happened a lot in Mulhorand and Unther, which were fr a long time directly ruled by their gods in Avatar form.
Bhaal was not a Lesser Deity when he created the Bhaalspawn, that was pre Time of Troubles, he was an Intermediate Deity then.
Plus that description of quasi-deities is incomplete; the Dead Three are quasi-deities due to being depowered.

Upon thinking about it, I just realized a mistake I made: aasimar is a race while demigod is a divine rank. The Bhaalspawns can be of any race while still technically being demigods, so Aylin could be born from an avatar of Selune and an aasimar father, so there wouldn't be any contradictions.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Panda-Bishop eredeti hozzászólása:

GriffinPilgrim eredeti hozzászólása:

The offspring of a god and a mortal could be a demigod but they don't have to be, it depends on the circumstances of their birth. The Seven Sisters for example are all children of Mystra and a mortal man but none are demigods. In that case Mystra was possessing a human woman. But they are all counted as her children.
If Selune was in Avatar form when she had Aylin she'd likely be an Aasimar. That happened a lot in Mulhorand and Unther, which were fr a long time directly ruled by their gods in Avatar form.
Bhaal was not a Lesser Deity when he created the Bhaalspawn, that was pre Time of Troubles, he was an Intermediate Deity then.
Plus that description of quasi-deities is incomplete; the Dead Three are quasi-deities due to being depowered.

Upon thinking about it, I just realized a mistake I made: aasimar is a race while demigod is a divine rank. The Bhaalspawns can be of any race while still technically being demigods, so Aylin could be born from an avatar of Selune and an aasimar father, so there wouldn't be any contradictions.

The Bhaalspawn aren't demigods, they're a separate thing Bhaal created, initially to facilitate his resurrection, later just because he kinda likes them. When he's making that many of them he's not gonna give all of them demigod powers, they're supposed to be his tools, not rivals.
As foe Aylin she could have had an entirely human father (or possibly even ,mother, as discussed earlier in the thread), Selune in avatar form would have enough of the Upper Planes about her to make an Aasimar but not enough to make a demigod.

[Ghost]

GriffinPilgrim eredeti hozzászólása:

As foe Aylin she could have had an entirely human father (or possibly even ,mother, as discussed earlier in the thread), Selune in avatar form would have enough of the Upper Planes about her to make an Aasimar but not enough to make a demigod.

^ Could be child of avatar, surrogate mother or an 'immaculate conception' type of thing or potentially even just willed into being. Aren't exactly any rules for this kind of thing where the gods are concerned and genetics in D&D is a bit of a mess anyway.