Intended way to fight the Adamantine Golem? Alternatively, am i stupid?

[wewilltaketheholyland]

I saw that the achievement for killing the Adamantine Golem without the use of the forge hammer was achieved by a mere 19% of players, even though generally most achievements had about 50% or so. When i in another play through learned that you could kill the golem with the hammer i thought that was an awesome neat little hidden role playing feature, but i legitimately never got the feeling that was what the game intended you to do, or that that was expected of you. However, looking back at the golem being weak to bludgeoning, it makes perfect sense. So now i am left wondering, how many of you found out naturally without the help of guides or friends that you could use the hammer to kill the golem, and do you think that was actually the intent of the combat encounter. Which makes it way more puzzle like than what i experienced as a boss fight of sorts.

[Tax evasion]

On my first playthrough, I didn't even know you could use the hammer in combat (or interact with objects in any meaningful way in combat). I just smacked him down with Lae'zel going bonkers.

AFAIR it is mentioned in various books that it is weak to the hammer when heated (or something along those lines). But yeah, initially just bonked him hard enough.

[zero]

the expected way is to use the forge itself to smack him, and its hinted at in game via little books you can read (which, to no surprise, many people skip) (and im pretty sure it updates your quest log the moment you read it, which people also dont read lol)

if i remember right, the mad mage in the underdark with all the hook claws has a page stating to use the hammer offensively.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by wewilltaketheholyland:

Intended way to fight the Adamantine Golem? Alternatively, am i stupid?
I saw that the achievement for killing the Adamantine Golem without the use of the forge hammer was achieved by a mere 19% of players, even though generally most achievements had about 50% or so. When i in another play through learned that you could kill the golem with the hammer i thought that was an awesome neat little hidden role playing feature, but i legitimately never got the feeling that was what the game intended you to do, or that that was expected of you. However, looking back at the golem being weak to bludgeoning, it makes perfect sense. So now i am left wondering, how many of you found out naturally without the help of guides or friends that you could use the hammer to kill the golem, and do you think that was actually the intent of the combat encounter. Which makes it way more puzzle like than what i experienced as a boss fight of sorts.

It was pretty obvious. The golem had resistances except for bludgeoning and you are kinda trapped in that arena. So in worst case, if you do not have any bludgeoning weapons with you, it means that there is a way to defeat the golem without scratching it with swords.

[Darth Cannabis]

First time I fought him, I actually tried freezing him after super heating with lava, because of the physics question, what happens when you rapidly cool a super hot metal? (it becomes hard but brittle). I feel like they should have given a bit extra vulnerability for that one as well.

Unfortunately, that did not work quite as expected, so I just put the smack down on him bit by bit while he was super heated by the lava. I didn't get around to using the hammer until 3rd or 4th time fighting him (and that's only because things went severely wrong for that party).

[Ironwu]

Originally posted by wewilltaketheholyland:

I saw that the achievement for killing the Adamantine Golem without the use of the forge hammer was achieved by a mere 19% of players, even though generally most achievements had about 50% or so. When i in another play through learned that you could kill the golem with the hammer i thought that was an awesome neat little hidden role playing feature, but i legitimately never got the feeling that was what the game intended you to do, or that that was expected of you. However, looking back at the golem being weak to bludgeoning, it makes perfect sense. So now i am left wondering, how many of you found out naturally without the help of guides or friends that you could use the hammer to kill the golem, and do you think that was actually the intent of the combat encounter. Which makes it way more puzzle like than what i experienced as a boss fight of sorts.

I had one character kite him around the room using various fast motion skills. That character always has to be last to hit him in the round. Everyone else just unloads on him while he is affected by the lava. I think the kite character got hit once or twice. Nothing major.

Note that the cheese where your party stays on the platforms will no longer work. At least it did not for me and so had to revert to a classic MMO maneuver. :)

Second time was even easier since I knew what to expect when he chased my kite character.

[yahboi1988]

I had a hard time getting him to end up near the hammer my first try. So I just beat him up with my Monk. Got that achievement on my first run.

[wewilltaketheholyland]

Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:

First time I fought him, I actually tried freezing him after super heating with lava, because of the physics question, what happens when you rapidly cool a super hot metal? (it becomes hard but brittle). I feel like they should have given a bit extra vulnerability for that one as well.

I was a little bit disappointed when the heat metal spell didn't offer any vulnerability, i thought i had it all figured out. But perhaps that would make the encounter too easy

[wewilltaketheholyland]

Originally posted by Tax evasion:

On my first playthrough, I didn't even know you could use the hammer in combat (or interact with objects in any meaningful way in combat). I just smacked him down with Lae'zel going bonkers.

AFAIR it is mentioned in various books that it is weak to the hammer when heated (or something along those lines). But yeah, initially just bonked him hard enough.

Yeah was completely oblivious first time round as well, Toughest fight by quite a while in the campaign for me, seeing as basically only 1 of my characters could be proper damage, the rest could only heal, revive, turn on the lava and distract.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by wewilltaketheholyland:

Originally posted by Tax evasion:

On my first playthrough, I didn't even know you could use the hammer in combat (or interact with objects in any meaningful way in combat). I just smacked him down with Lae'zel going bonkers.

AFAIR it is mentioned in various books that it is weak to the hammer when heated (or something along those lines). But yeah, initially just bonked him hard enough.

Yeah was completely oblivious first time round as well, Toughest fight by quite a while in the campaign for me, seeing as basically only 1 of my characters could be proper damage, the rest could only heal, revive, turn on the lava and distract.

By the end of the day the golem is just a big nail.

[EricHVela]

You can fumble around and stumble into the Forge, but there's three opportunities to find out all about it: Where it is, how to use it, and how to defeat the guardian. Each one notes that there are two others where the rest of the information is found.

The part for the Guardian specifically states it must be heated by the fires (meaning the "Melting" status caused by it walking through the magma) and hit with the Forge hammer. (No checks required for this one, just straightforward combat... without magic if your characters are standing in the wrong spot.)

Getting the Guardian into the right place isn't always easy, and I've always had to hit it twice to kill it with the Forge hammer.

[Dr.Abscondus]

The impact zone of the hammer is almost the entire pool of lava around the crucible. Grym goes for the character he considers a threat and that character is tagged so it's easy to lure him into the kill zone. The lure mechanic is a hint that you are supposed to hit him with the hammer. After he's been hit, he is no long super heated so you have to wait another turn with him in the lava before he becomes vulnerable again.

[EricHVela]

Originally posted by Dr.Abscondus:

The impact zone of the hammer is almost the entire pool of lava around the crucible. Grym goes for the character he considers a threat and that character is tagged so it's easy to lure him into the kill zone. The lure mechanic is a hint that you are supposed to hit him with the hammer. After he's been hit, he is no long super heated so you have to wait another turn with him in the lava before he becomes vulnerable again.

In mine, the Guardian goes for the targeted character, makes an area attack, and moves out of range of the hammer. :(

...and that's if it didn't already move past the range in its turn before taking an action.

Kept having to re-open the valve.

It seems so weird to me that, in its first turn, it could move through and beyond the Hammer's range. There's something I likely wasn't doing right, but it's vulnerability to bludgeoning when "Melting" works well enough.