If you made a half-elf character, you're prob a racist

[Captain Apollo Diomedes]

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/04/04/dungeons-dragons-to-remove-half-species-from-players-handbook-claims-entire-the-entire-idea-is-inherently-racist/

According to DnD the idea of half-species characters are inherently racist.
Very interesting point how are trying to mindbend this idea with real life nonsense. So if you are half caucasian and half asian for example, your very being is a product of racism.

Keep praising DnD and the rest of these very progressive companies, please.
Show the clear way for the people how to move on to a different franchise. Just like SW fans moved on to Warhammer.

[𝕊𝕃𝕊𝔸𝕄𝔾♔]

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

No this has nothing to do with racism.

Won't stop people from playing the race/victim card at every convenient opportunity. This is brainwashing to an extreme. Your average N.E.E.T in a nutshell.

They don't call it a 'death cult' for no reason.

[ppaladin123]

Originally posted by Gordon:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/04/04/dungeons-dragons-to-remove-half-species-from-players-handbook-claims-entire-the-entire-idea-is-inherently-racist/

According to DnD the idea of half-species characters are inherently racist.
Very interesting point how are trying to mindbend this idea with real life nonsense. So if you are half caucasian and half asian for example, your very being is a product of racism.

Keep praising DnD and the rest of these very progressive companies, please.
Show the clear way for the people how to move on to a different franchise. Just like SW fans moved on to Warhammer.

White people and Asian people belong to the same species. So not sure why you'd use that example to discuss "half-species characters."

[EricHVela]

Originally posted by steffan8:

On the tabletop, I have made a very racist elf. Most drow characters are also more or less racist. Does that make me or the other players racists? If somebody thinks that is the case, he should speak with their psychologist. It might help.

If the table's okay with the character, then the table's okay with the character. If you're like that IRL, I doubt there would be many tables that would let you play. So, my assumption would be that it's the character and not you.

It's an opportunity for growth. In one campaign I watch, the Dragonborn was racist against Tieflings ("Demons"), but they've become the bestest of friends since. (The tiefling has a soft spot for the Dragonborn that nobody else gets to see. They're also opposite alignments: LG/CE... which works probably because she doesn't play CE like a murderhobo and he doesn't play like a murderhobo-with-a-lawful-excuse.)

While they're not more-than-friends, I still wonder what a progeny of those two would be. In 5e, not possible. In UA for the upcoming version, totally possible.

[Norbac]

Originally posted by SLSAMG ✪:

It's pretty reasonable to presume that everything said by a private account is essentially a bait thread. Move on... there's nothing to see here.

So this is how one dismisses a huge portion of users in one swoop without a single thought. Impressive mental gymnastics.
I should make my profile private for the keks.

[𝕊𝕃𝕊𝔸𝕄𝔾♔]

Originally posted by Norbac:

Originally posted by SLSAMG ✪:

It's pretty reasonable to presume that everything said by a private account is essentially a bait thread. Move on... there's nothing to see here.

So this is how one dismisses a huge portion of users in one swoop without a single thought. Impressive mental gymnastics.
I should make my profile private for the keks.

And the vast majority of ♥♥♥♥-posts are made by private accounts. If you weren't woefully misinformed, you'd know this.

It's not difficult to deduce, so please stop being obtuse.

[Norbac]

Originally posted by SLSAMG ✪:

Originally posted by Norbac:

So this is how one dismisses a huge portion of users in one swoop without a single thought. Impressive mental gymnastics.
I should make my profile private for the keks.

And the vast majority of ♥♥♥♥-posts are made by private accounts. If you weren't woefully misinformed, you'd know this.

It's not difficult to deduce, so please stop being obtuse.

We are about to get political is this goes on. Something about 13 50 and yada yada.

[Firecam]

Their racial bonus are pretty good.

[𝕊𝕃𝕊𝔸𝕄𝔾♔]

Originally posted by Norbac:

Originally posted by SLSAMG ✪:

And the vast majority of ♥♥♥♥-posts are made by private accounts. If you weren't woefully misinformed, you'd know this.

It's not difficult to deduce, so please stop being obtuse.

We are about to get political is this goes on. Something about 13 50 and yada yada.

Have anymore unfounded claims? At least you've conceded, lmao...

Hold that L.

[Boss]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

Originally posted by steffan8:

On the tabletop, I have made a very racist elf. Most drow characters are also more or less racist. Does that make me or the other players racists? If somebody thinks that is the case, he should speak with their psychologist. It might help.

If the table's okay with the character, then the table's okay with the character. If you're like that IRL, I doubt there would be many tables that would let you play. So, my assumption would be that it's the character and not you.

Obviously I don't know him, but I'm fairly confident in saying he's not really a drow elf raised in an oppressive matriarchal society where the male drow and other races are only valuable as slaves or sacrifices to the Spider Queen. But there's of course a chance I could be wrong here.

[Kamuizin]

At the start i thought it was troll bait thread because of the title, and after reading it i got myself sure it is.

First of all, race and ethnicity are different things. A caucasian and asian parents generate, a human, that is race, that has caucasian descendent genes and asian descendent genes..

A more technical example for cross race in real life would be the liger (that cross species between 2 different feline races, lion and tiger).

I made a quick research and, like Op, the article he quote is just as unethical. Here’s a clarification:

https://www.thegamer.com/gaming-media-has-lied-to-you-about-the-removal-of-half-races-in-dungeons-and-dragons/#:~:text=If%20it%20sounds%20to%20you,here%2C%20you're%20right.&text=Crawford%20never%20said%20D%26D%20is,out%2C%20it%20isn't.

A quotation of what is truly happening:

“As Den of Geek points out in its coverage of the controversy, what Bounding Into Comics (and others, which we’ll come back to) reported as news isn’t actually news at all. We’ve known that Half-Orcs and Half-Elves are getting removed as character creation options since last year, but that doesn’t mean mixed race characters are going away. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Soon, players will be able to create characters with parents of any two races, no longer bound by being Half-Human. You can be Half-Orc and Half-Elf if you want, or Half-Dragonborn and Half-Hobgoblin. Heck, you could even be Half-Centaur and Half-Gnome. I don’t know how that works, but if there’s a will, there’s a way.”

All that explained, despite being a troll topic, i highly disagree with D&D options. That’s because the other reason they’re removing half races:

“When we refer to someone as a Half-Elf, we don’t say what the other half is, because we know it's a Human. It positions Humans as the default race in the world, which is an inherently racist world view. A Half-Orc is only half Orc, the other half is normal. You see the problem.”

Human race was described in D&D for years as a more mundane and adaptative race. There’s no point where humans excel but also, there’s no paths closed to humans.

This is a magical world, it’s irrelevant if there’s sense or logic on that affirmative, for better or worse. Even if a sense or logic was searched, we got proof in the last 100.000 years that human adaptability brought us to a position of dominance in the planet.

Another mention:

“It’s not just the term itself that makes Half-races problematic though. Separating Half-Orcs into their own distinct race has an othering effect too. They’re not both Orc and Human, they're neither. Half-Orcs are a secret, third thing. Biracial people, whether they’re half-Black and half-white or half-Orc and half-Human, still share the culture, history, and biology of the people they came from. They’re not some kind of new, separate race of people.”

This make me remember the past if humanity, where a invasor community more than often endorsed rapes and forced marriages as a form of assimilation of the defeated country.

When the land carry the blood of invader and invaded, it’s hard for their citizens to resist the new order.

Whatever the reason, the initial offspring of these invasions, most of the time, were subject of this exactly sense of non-belonging.

But when you bring this concept to different races, things tend to escalate, and that’s the beauty of a half-elf, half-orc or half-anything, they tend to bring this emotional baggage that enrich a storyline.

Jaheira herself is a product of this social conflict!

To sum it up, without globalization or a central government for the entire Faerun, xenophoby and racism not only exist but they should exist.

People may be magical on D&D, but they are far from perfect, and it’s in the conflicts of their imperfection that rhe best adventures would occur.

[Altimely]

Wait until OP learns that players can change the rules to D&D whenever they want. The rule books are guide-lines. Homebrew to your heart's content.

[id795078477]

Didn't read the article nor all the walls of texts here, but from my "ordinary" PoV, where's the logic in declaring mixed races as "racism"? If anything, the logic dictates that being opposed to mixed races would be some sort of "racism"? (I mean - as much as we can even invoke that in a fictional context). Because - well, it's nominally "against" at least one race - mixed race(s), so it's "racism". And - second, because it's against inter-racial unions, so - vibes of 20th century U.S. where it was illegal for the black and the white people to marry.

Why is it twisted so much that the opposite of the obvious is called what it should not be?

[Altimely]

Originally posted by id795078477:

Didn't read the article nor all the walls of texts here

Ah, so you just want to spew your opinion and make assumptions without learning anything.

The answer to your question is ITT but it's too bad you only read headlines.

[Captain Apollo Diomedes]

Originally posted by Kamuizin:

At the start i thought it was troll bait thread because of the title, and after reading it i got myself sure it is.

First of all, race and ethnicity are different things. A caucasian and asian parents generate, a human, that is race, that has caucasian descendent genes and asian descendent genes..

A more technical example for cross race in real life would be the liger (that cross species between 2 different feline races, lion and tiger).

I made a quick research and, like Op, the article he quote is just as unethical. Here’s a clarification:

https://www.thegamer.com/gaming-media-has-lied-to-you-about-the-removal-of-half-races-in-dungeons-and-dragons/#:~:text=If%20it%20sounds%20to%20you,here%2C%20you're%20right.&text=Crawford%20never%20said%20D%26D%20is,out%2C%20it%20isn't.

A quotation of what is truly happening:

“As Den of Geek points out in its coverage of the controversy, what Bounding Into Comics (and others, which we’ll come back to) reported as news isn’t actually news at all. We’ve known that Half-Orcs and Half-Elves are getting removed as character creation options since last year, but that doesn’t mean mixed race characters are going away. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Soon, players will be able to create characters with parents of any two races, no longer bound by being Half-Human. You can be Half-Orc and Half-Elf if you want, or Half-Dragonborn and Half-Hobgoblin. Heck, you could even be Half-Centaur and Half-Gnome. I don’t know how that works, but if there’s a will, there’s a way.”

All that explained, despite being a troll topic, i highly disagree with D&D options. That’s because the other reason they’re removing half races:

“When we refer to someone as a Half-Elf, we don’t say what the other half is, because we know it's a Human. It positions Humans as the default race in the world, which is an inherently racist world view. A Half-Orc is only half Orc, the other half is normal. You see the problem.”

Thanks for the answer, but it rather proves my point.

Originally posted by Altimely:

Wait until OP learns that players can change the rules to D&D whenever they want. The rule books are guide-lines. Homebrew to your heart's content.

Anarchy has nothing to do with the topic.

[Altimely]

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Kamuizin:

At the start i thought it was troll bait thread because of the title, and after reading it i got myself sure it is.

First of all, race and ethnicity are different things. A caucasian and asian parents generate, a human, that is race, that has caucasian descendent genes and asian descendent genes..

A more technical example for cross race in real life would be the liger (that cross species between 2 different feline races, lion and tiger).

I made a quick research and, like Op, the article he quote is just as unethical. Here’s a clarification:

https://www.thegamer.com/gaming-media-has-lied-to-you-about-the-removal-of-half-races-in-dungeons-and-dragons/#:~:text=If%20it%20sounds%20to%20you,here%2C%20you're%20right.&text=Crawford%20never%20said%20D%26D%20is,out%2C%20it%20isn't.

A quotation of what is truly happening:

“As Den of Geek points out in its coverage of the controversy, what Bounding Into Comics (and others, which we’ll come back to) reported as news isn’t actually news at all. We’ve known that Half-Orcs and Half-Elves are getting removed as character creation options since last year, but that doesn’t mean mixed race characters are going away. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Soon, players will be able to create characters with parents of any two races, no longer bound by being Half-Human. You can be Half-Orc and Half-Elf if you want, or Half-Dragonborn and Half-Hobgoblin. Heck, you could even be Half-Centaur and Half-Gnome. I don’t know how that works, but if there’s a will, there’s a way.”

All that explained, despite being a troll topic, i highly disagree with D&D options. That’s because the other reason they’re removing half races:

“When we refer to someone as a Half-Elf, we don’t say what the other half is, because we know it's a Human. It positions Humans as the default race in the world, which is an inherently racist world view. A Half-Orc is only half Orc, the other half is normal. You see the problem.”

Thanks for the answer, but it rather proves my point.

Originally posted by Altimely:

Wait until OP learns that players can change the rules to D&D whenever they want. The rule books are guide-lines. Homebrew to your heart's content.

Anarchy has nothing to do with the topic.

You have no counter argument to what he said, and players being able to change the rules to D&D has everything to do with the topic. It isn't anarchy, WOTC isn't the government and the rules they set up aren't set in stone. They aren't preventing homebrew or house rules.