Auntie ethel in honour mode.

[Grimacetexas9]

How i'm i supposed to beat her? like i've died twice to her in the exact same way, combat start, we're surprised so i lose a turn, she create clones, they ALL cast hold person on all 4 of my characters and i just lose without playing even a single turn or doing a single attack. there's literally nothing i can do.
The only option i would see is having a mage with alert so i can cast magic missile on the clones before they just insta win.
It's not good game design to NEED to have a certain class with a certain very specific feat just to be able to play the encounter, it wouldnt trivialise it, it would just allow me to attempt it.

[Mike Garrison]

Make your saves, maybe? Which Auntie Ethyl combat are you talking about?

[Maraxus]

How do you enter combat surprised, isn't there some dialog before the battle?

[Dizzy Ladybug]

I did not know she could surprise you in combat, at least in Act 1 ; does she do it in Act 3? But in case you don't know, you should buff with Sanctuary before surprise encounters.

[Razorblade]

First off, there's a Perception check; you're not always Surprised.

Secondly, Elixirs of Vigilance are easy enough to craft or buy in the early game, and are a 1-1 consumable version of the Alert Feat. Now that you know you can be surprised, being surprised shouldn't be an issue.

If you hate the idea of taking the best Feat in the game on any of your characters, or meta-gaming your elixir choice, bring summons and/or summoning Lump and crew should give you enough characters to tank a few Hold Persons with characters to spare to free those who are trapped.

Or just sneak past the Masks; I believe Ethel does not create clones, but rather summons the Masks for help if they're not dead/incapacitated.

Lastly, Auntie Ethel's Legendary Action is to create more clones when you cast a spell, so Magic Missile probably isn't your best solution anymore unless you can spam it multiple times in a turn, since she only gets 1 use of the Legendary Action per turn.

[Maraxus]

Also (if we are talking about act 1) some summons help a lot with the action economy, I had a zombie and an imp(the imp is nice because he has double attack at lvl 5 and can fly so can potentially get 2 copies in one turn) and they helped a lot. xD Oh razor beat me to it.

[Grimacetexas9]

Originally posted by Razorblade:

First off, there's a Perception check; you're not always Surprised.

Secondly, Elixirs of Vigilance are easy enough to craft or buy in the early game, and are a 1-1 consumable version of the Alert Feat. Now that you know you can be surprised, being surprised shouldn't be an issue.

If you hate the idea of taking the best Feat in the game on any of your characters, or meta-gaming your elixir choice, bring summons and/or summoning Lump and crew should give you enough characters to tank a few Hold Persons with characters to spare to free those who are trapped.

Or just sneak past the Masks; I believe Ethel does not create clones, but rather summons the Masks for help if they're not dead/incapacitated.

Lastly, Auntie Ethel's Legendary Action is to create more clones when you cast a spell, so Magic Missile probably isn't your best solution anymore unless you can spam it multiple times in a turn, since she only gets 1 use of the Legendary Action per turn.

well i wasnt rly aware of those elixirs since i didnt get a single one. Also i had all my characters get surprised twice so i assumed it was just ment to be like this in honour mode. as for the magic missile i didnt get to see what was the effect of her legendary spell since i couldnt play a single action on any of my characters both times i attempted this.

i think i'm gonna give up if i'm going to die to random bs that if you dont already know how to enter the fight or what to do/dont do you insta lose.

[surreptitious]

That fight is normally BS
But in Honor , they are not clones apparently.
They are full hit point doubles ... you are going to fight 6 hags .. which is right off the deep end ... I play with 2 characters not 4 .. that puts the Hag right out of even trying

[Dizzy Ladybug]

they weren't full clones when I fought her on Honour, they all died in one hit. though she did summon more of them because I cast one spell

[kingonads]

Originally posted by Grimacetexas9:

How i'm i supposed to beat her? like i've died twice to her in the exact same way, combat start, we're surprised so i lose a turn, she create clones, they ALL cast hold person on all 4 of my characters and i just lose without playing even a single turn or doing a single attack. there's literally nothing i can do.
The only option i would see is having a mage with alert so i can cast magic missile on the clones before they just insta win.
It's not good game design to NEED to have a certain class with a certain very specific feat just to be able to play the encounter, it wouldnt trivialise it, it would just allow me to attempt it.

I have had little issues with Ethel.. but I also usually play a caster, and magic missile is your friend. You can kill off all of her clones in a single missile and they never get a turn.

[Pana]

She did not cast hold person on my honour playthrough. Just bad luck maybe?

the real problem for me was Ansur .
His StormHeart Nova hit like 50-100 damages.
and when he dies got 1+100 hp and cast StormHeart Nova again

[Grimacetexas9]

Originally posted by Dildo Bangins:

She did not cast hold person on my honour playthrough. Just bad luck maybe?

the real problem for me was Ansur .
His StormHeart Nova hit like 50-100 damages.
and when he dies got 1+100 hp and cast StormHeart Nova again

well since all the clones have independant AI, it would be REALL good luck if none of them even tried to cast hold person on any turns.

[Nobby]

Did you get volo's eye? If you drinken invisibility potion you can run up to her and make her visible. This allows you to launch a sneak attack on her.

Casting silence on her, or opening the fight with a stunning strike or something gives you a good advantage

[DarkGunn]

Magic Missile and Ray of Fire are the key for getting rid of the dupes, even the newly summoned ones. After which, conflicting conditions is key, Command: Halt prevents her from taking actions (including the dupe summons), knocking her prone will give you advantage in melee against her, wizard's bane coating on weapons will make her slightly less annoying. Her turning invisible can be countered with Faerie Fire.

[Occasum_Solis]

Originally posted by Grimacetexas9:

How i'm i supposed to beat her? like i've died twice to her in the exact same way, combat start, we're surprised so i lose a turn, she create clones, they ALL cast hold person on all 4 of my characters and i just lose without playing even a single turn or doing a single attack. there's literally nothing i can do.
The only option i would see is having a mage with alert so i can cast magic missile on the clones before they just insta win.
It's not good game design to NEED to have a certain class with a certain very specific feat just to be able to play the encounter, it wouldnt trivialise it, it would just allow me to attempt it.

Step 1: Gather every explosive you can find. (Hint: There is a Powder Keg in the Blacksmith and also A LOT of Powder Kegs in the ruined Temple of Selune)

Step 2: Start Convo, switch to a random Party Member and place all Powder Kegs around the Hag. (I recommend that you have Astarion with you, because he will have the highest DEX in your party and usually starts first in battle)

Step 3: Engange Fight and blast this stupid b*tch aka Hag to pieces.

EZ - Works only if you dont give a F about the +1 from her.

[Panda]

There is no much reason to cheese her hard, what you need:

1) Spider Egg, throw it to start the battle with just spiders (if you are lucky - it triggers fear).
2) Cast Silence to prevent clones.
3) Spam any fear ability as a bard/one shot her as a gloomstalker assuming you have level 5.
4) Ranger with a spider can solo her, he has Silence, spider to trigger fear, Raven to blind so you can force her to melee attack instead of everything.

Berserker with silence from any1 else can solo her with ez.