Haste Nerf

[Unfriendly Fire]

Yes, we all know Haste was nerfed, and we all know Haste was a bit OP.

BUT. I am still mentally challenged enough to have to ask to have someone here explain to me how the new Haste(since patch 5) works. Explain it to me like i'm 5, because I might be.

Please, and thank you for your help.

[Recjawjind]

With haste in explorer/normal/tactician, you get a true, full, extra action. Meaning, if you are a fighter who can swing 3 times per action, you can swing the full 3 times with this extra action from haste.
In Honour mode however, it's not a true full action anymore, which is closer to how it works in regular 5e D&D. Now, if you can take multiple attacks with one action, you only get 1 of those attacks with the hasted action.
However, you can still cast another spell using the hasted action, which is not possible in regular 5e D&D.

Hope this helps :>

[Chaosolous]

I think it was only nerfed in Honor Mode but I could be wrong.

In Honor Mode you won't get extra attacks like you would normally using it.

That's my understanding.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

I think it was only nerfed in Honor Mode but I could be wrong.

In Honor Mode you won't get extra attacks like you would normally using it and you can't cast two spells in one turn as a caster.

That's my understanding.

I thought you can still cast an extra spell with haste, though I have only ever thrown it on my fighter so I could be mistaken there.

[Unfriendly Fire]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

With haste in explorer/normal/tactician, you get a true, full, extra action. Meaning, if you are a fighter who can swing 3 times per action, you can swing the full 3 times with this extra action from haste.
In Honour mode however, it's not a true full action anymore, which is closer to how it works in regular 5e D&D. Now, if you can take multiple attacks with one action, you only get 1 of those attacks with the hasted action.
However, you can still cast another spell using the hasted action, which is not possible in regular 5e D&D.

Hope this helps :>

It does, but it still leads me to this: So basically haste in honor mode is just one more free hit?

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Unfriendly Fire:

It does, but it still leads me to this: So basically haste in honor mode is just one more free hit?

Haste still doubles your movement speed, increases your AC by 2, and gives you advantage on dex saves.
Also, that extra action can be used for basically anything else too, be it activate a non-basic attack based ability that costs a full action, like an illithid power for example.

[Exarch_Alpha]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDGlN6mluGA

[Dizzy Ladybug]

In Honour Haste gives an Extra action but that extra action does not allow for Extra Attack to stack with it. Spellcasters can use that second action to cast another spell.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Uhhh... isn´t that the point of it? 2nd action that CAN be a third spell?

[Dizzy Ladybug]

how do you cast 3 spells in a round ? unless you mean Quicken Spell.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by dizzy ladybug:

how do you cast 3 spells in a round ? unless you mean Quicken Spell.

A few ways.
Bonus action spell, action spell, hasted spell, action surge spell, mind sanctuary bonus action spell, quickened spell
Pick any combination of the above.

[Dizzy Ladybug]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by dizzy ladybug:

how do you cast 3 spells in a round ? unless you mean Quicken Spell.

A few ways.
Bonus action spell, action spell, hasted spell, action surge spell, mind sanctuary bonus action spell, quickened spell
Pick any combination of the above.

Thanks. Exarch_Alpha says you can cast a third spell with a 2nd action. Is that possible ?

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by dizzy ladybug:

Thanks, i know of those. Exarch_Alpha says you can cast a third spell with a 2nd action. Is that possible ?

As far as im aware (havent used haste yet on a caster, because it's still much better spent on a martial if you want to conserve spellslots), yes. Bonus action/quickened bonus action spell, action spell, hasted action spell.

[Dizzy Ladybug]

Hasted Sorc is sooo good. Double Lightning Bolt, or triple with Quicken Spell.

At level 5, my Sorc was throwing 3 Fireballs per round in Honour with a Scroll and two Spell slots. Have to long rest more frequently but it's worth it.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Works because the game has linear encounters. If it didn´t...

[Sentient_Toaster]

Originally posted by dizzy ladybug:

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

A few ways.
Bonus action spell, action spell, hasted spell, action surge spell, mind sanctuary bonus action spell, quickened spell
Pick any combination of the above.

Thanks. Exarch_Alpha says you can cast a third spell with a 2nd action. Is that possible ?

If you multiclass into two levels of fighter for Action Surge, for instance.

Even in tabletop, which doesn't allow casting spells with the extra action from Haste, a fighter-2/(any caster) can cast spells with both the regular action and the Action Surge'd action; in addition to potentially w/ reaction and bonus action, and possibly additional spells (e.g. Wild Magic triggering).