Unpopular opinion: Raphael

[ppaladin123]

"Raphael's final act" is extremely cheesy and and detracts from what is otherwise an epic fight. If they had just done it instrumentally and focused on that excellent pipe organ it would have been better.

[Ol'Chum]

Your opinion is indeed unpopular because it is wrong. Have a good day sir

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Nope, you're objectively wrong.

[kbiz]

I found his singing a lil out of place too. Kinda detracts from an epic battle. I could think of Monty Python references if necessary.

[Banelord]

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

"Raphael's final act" is extremely cheesy and and detracts from what is otherwise an epic fight. If they had just done it instrumentally and focused on that excellent pipe organ it would have been better.

I only noticed this in Wasteland 3 before, not in anything else. I might be wrong though.

And it doesnt distract me in negative way whatsoever.

[vicious mockery]

It's okay to have wrong opinions!

[Oozy Monster]

Originally posted by Banelord:

Originally posted by ppaladin123:

"Raphael's final act" is extremely cheesy and and detracts from what is otherwise an epic fight. If they had just done it instrumentally and focused on that excellent pipe organ it would have been better.

I only noticed this in Wasteland 3 before, not in anything else. I might be wrong though.

And it doesnt distract me in negative way whatsoever.

LOL, I liked those in Wasteland 3. America the Beautiful when battling the Gippers cracked me up.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by vicious mockery:

It's okay to have wrong opinions!

That's just, like, you're opinion man!

[EricHVela]

I smirked when hearing it for the first time during battle. My brain was like, "Really? This is the moment to start having a musical number?"

Then again, I despise musicals. (The songs are fine, but they stop the story to sing about something that could be stated in one or two sentences. Horrible storytelling method, but I've been told that the story is just an excuse to have the songs. So, horrible storytelling as a sacrifice to sing. At least, Into the Woods has songs that keep moving things forward, but Singing in the Rain literally says a line of dialog and sings about that one sentence for five minutes, doing nothing else.)

[The_Dipl0mat]

Y'know I may disagree vehemently but that's a valid opinion

Personally, I like it because it shows how cocky he is. To be singing while fighting you, believing he'll win. Even if Yugir betrays him. Though it would be fun if he stopped singing at all when he got to a certain HP threshold and had to finally take things seriously

[Kaisha]

I agree. Seemed a little cheesy to me, but it seems others loved it. /shrug

I do think that the VA for Raphael was perfect though. He sounded great. Low, menacing, but still sophisticated and seductive, all at the same time. With a voice like that you could be ordering pizza and girls would be throwing their panties at you...

[seandeven]

Meh.
The pipe organ was good.
The vocals made the piece great.

I like my cheese spreadable.

[LexingtonSeal]

You’re a 100% correct OP.

That scene is the naffest thing in the entire game by a long, long mile.

'Squirm, squirm, for now down here come the claws'

It’s a different level of mindlessness. It’s in fact ingeniously stupid. Can it even be made more cringe-inducing? Florid colours barfing from gargoyle heads on the walls, perhaps? A gaggle of prancing, grinning anthropomorphic creatures cheering at the sides?

It’s camp incarnate.

Yet this is a major villain in Neo-Baldur’s Gate, the Baldur’s Gate for the new age.

Man oh man.

Raphael himself is the dumbest mf in the entire game. Imagine taking this guy seriously. He’s Kefka without the cunning and the brains and the plans. Just a campy clown for the sake of it.

Well, what a time to be alive, really, that a company can throw millions of a budget at something this paper-thin. If you made it for seven year olds, it’d still be too lowbrow.

Like I keep saying, thank god for CD Projekt Red and the fact their writers have some credibility as intellects. Ie – compare Gaunter O’Dimm to this actually dim mf.

Passed Act 1 (which is ok), this game is now only good for mockery.

[seeker1]

He's been an extremely theatrical ham throughout the entire story. I wasn't expecting different.

Here's the lyrics to the song he's singing, BTW.

https://genius.com/Borislav-slavov-raphaels-final-act-lyrics

[Chorus: Mariya Anastasova]
Lives, all mortal lives, expire
Souls go to their dooms
In flame, forevermore

[Verse 1: Andrew Wincott]
Hell, Hell, Hell has its laws
Hell, Hell, effects and the cause
Curtain falls, but hold your applause
Squirm, squirm, for now down here come the claws

[Chorus: Mariya Anastasova]
Lives, all mortal lives, expire
Souls go to their dooms
In flame, forevermore

[Verse 2: Andrew Wincott]
Fools, fools, how hard you have fought
Brave, brave, but it's all been for naught
True Souls that couldn't be bought
Doomed, detected, and caught

[Verse 3: Andrew Wincott]
No more dеals, it's over
The final act, your doom
No more gracе, it's over
This House of Hope, your tomb
[snip]

It's the exact kind of pessimism I'd expect from a devil who wants to note your futility in attempting to evade your fate. "Hope dies today".

I get some satisfaction in killing him, and I always tell him I wanted to since I met him, which is true.

It's just his curtain call, and final act, not mine. When my Bard was subjecting him to Vicious Mockery, it was VERY satisfying.

[ppaladin123]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Y'know I may disagree vehemently but that's a valid opinion

Personally, I like it because it shows how cocky he is. To be singing while fighting you, believing he'll win. Even if Yugir betrays him. Though it would be fun if he stopped singing at all when he got to a certain HP threshold and had to finally take things seriously

He has a lot of quips during the fight depending on what happens. Like he will comment if you use divine intervention or if hope dies or once you break enough pillars or if you suffer the backlash from using radiant damage. I did find all those very nice.

I like his voice actor and delivery in general since he comes across as exceptionally arrogant and long-winded. He even speaks very slowly because, I assume, the director wanted him to further irritate impatient players. All that makes for a a very satisfying feeling when he goes down.

Just think the musical number is silly.

[votadc]

Sarevok singing would be cheesy since he cares only to butcher people. Raphael singing Is in character, he loves to entertain and to please people. He Is a lawful character, too bad he deal with the unpredictable son of Bhaal.
No idea how he manages to survive when killed in hell.