Minor spoiler question on Lae'zel

[craig234]

I'm playing an Ancient Paladin, and I play with a rule, no lie/deceit.

When I encounter her with the Tieflings, the game has very limited options.

1. Kill her, which I'd rather not do
2. Deceive for a non-violent option
3. Kill the Tieflings, which I hear will cause my Paladin to be an 'Oathbreaker'.

In other words, all bad options.

So my only idea, which I haven't tried yet, is don't go to her location. Skip it.

Is that an option? Also, how do I check if my Paladin became an Oathbreaker?

(The same issue is for any char, except it's not wanting to kill Tieflings, not Oathbreaker).

[Mike Garrison]

Have someone else talk to the tieflings.

[Mike Garrison]

Also, if you are a githyanki, they say "another one!", and it is a low DC to intimidate them into leaving. Drow also has a low DC to intimidate them.

[craig234]

Thanks. I felt it was rather poor writing for there not to be better options, like just persuade and intimidate them to leave. But I don't have a Gith or a Drow. Any other options?

[seeker1]

Your paladin breaks your oath if the game tells you. if the game tells you, you need to talk to your Dark Knight in the camp to restore it. It's not like it happens in some hidden way.

If anybody else attacks the tieflings, incidentally, and they become hostile, and your paladin strikes the second blow ... no problem for your oath. (AFAIK, this is only an issue for Devotion Oath. The basic commandment of Devotion Oath is, "thou shalt not strike first the yellow/neutral."

[craig234]

What I'd like is the option to save her without violence or deceit.

Will the 'avoid her' idea work?

[ppaladin123]

No if you leave her there that's it...you don't get to recruit her. Some other party members (:::cough:: shadowheart:: ) find other ways into your party. Not Laezel though.

[kbiz]

Fooling them is better than killing them.

[craig234]

Originally posted by kbiz:

Fooling them is better than killing them.

I'm disappointed in the writing. It's debatable, if they react with violence...

[EricHVela]

The {Deception} option is skilled wrong. She is definitely dangerous and letting your character deal with her doesn't mean your character will kill her. (Letting her go is also a way of dealing with her.)

It could easily be a {Persuasion} option instead even though the option might be a little misleading. (They don't seem to mind her wandering around the Grove, though. So, I guess they're fine with your character dealing with her however.)

[Moonbane]

If Laezel dies on the nautiloid, you can revive her on the shore right after Shadowheart. The encounter with the tieflings and the cage never happens.

[EricHVela]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

If Laezel dies on the nautiloid, you can revive her on the shore right after Shadowheart. The encounter with the tieflings and the cage never happens.

I've had to make Lae'zel be completely stoopid in combat to have that happen. It's really out of character for her. She's the one who insists on going to the console. Getting her to try to kill the Cambion doesn't make sense.

[craig234]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

The {Deception} option is skilled wrong. She is definitely dangerous and letting your character deal with her doesn't mean your character will kill her. (Letting her go is also a way of dealing with her.)

I had a similar reaction.

[Dr. Electrocutioner]

Try walking away from the tieflings then shoot out the bottom of Laezel's cage with a ranged attack.

She should start the fight with the tieflings and then you can stand there and watch if you are averse to personal violence.

[craig234]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

If Laezel dies on the nautiloid, you can revive her on the shore right after Shadowheart. The encounter with the tieflings and the cage never happens.

Thanks; that's good to know, but I'd have to restart, and don't like the writing still.