I talked Ketheric Thorm into surrendering

[Kadh2000]

Then the angel of death swooped in and ruined it all. Dame Aylin, I could have killed you at that moment.

[id795078477]

You didn't talk him to surrendering. Only to embrace inevitable (i.e. his death) - which Aylin slightly delays. You can go at the whole "word-play" once again and you'll get what you want .. but the fight will unravel anyways.

[ChuckyDontCare]

You can convince him to off himself and get straight to the Myrkul fight, which was a surprise to me when I pulled it off.

[Kadh2000]

Yeah, I did that. It was a fun thing to discover.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

This is what we like to call, illusion of choice. Something Larian is notorious for and makes them a terrible RPG maker.

[Kadh2000]

I enjoyed it. Sorry you didn't.

[Kadh2000]

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[Brian_the_Brute]

Originally posted by Tech-Priest:

This is what we like to call, illusion of choice. Something Larian is notorious for and makes them a terrible RPG maker.

I concur it's illusion for a lot of the dialogue "choices". On my 2nd play through I started picking evil responses to match the party alignment and it doesn't really change the railroaded story line. and No a bunch of drow wouldn't have a flip about curing the shadow curse as they leave act 2.

Aaand then there is Yenna the cockroach... the kid kept walking up to evil drow 3 times after being threatened... very sus. story writing skills there.

[Kadh2000]

I don't have a problem with the illusion of choice. I found it both in character for me to try it and for Aylin to ruin it.

[Kafik]

Originally posted by Tech-Priest:

This is what we like to call, illusion of choice. Something Larian is notorious for and makes them a terrible RPG maker.

This is not "illusion of choice". The player talked him into surrendering and Aylin comes in to kill him. That's a different choice than deciding to fight him. This is not "terrible RPG" this is how D&D modules have always worked. You only think it's an illusion because you played the game more than once, or you hear about people playing the game and getting different outcomes.

[Narima]

Originally posted by Tech-Priest:

This is what we like to call, illusion of choice. Something Larian is notorious for and makes them a terrible RPG maker.

My god what are u talking about? "illusion of choice" lmao

[MeltingPotOfFriendship]

Originally posted by id795078477:

You didn't talk him to surrendering. Only to embrace inevitable (i.e. his death) - which Aylin slightly delays. You can go at the whole "word-play" once again and you'll get what you want .. but the fight will unravel anyways.

Reminds me of ME1 if you are running a Parashep. On Virmire, you can try(and fail) to persuade him to stop, the fight goes on. Before the full on fight with him on the citadel, you can use your persuasion to try to get Saren to see that he dun goof'd in order to avoid it. He admits that after you talked with him, he started to doubt himself, which led to his "god" fully converting him. Your shep can use his persuasion on him again and the dude goes: "Damn, I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up! But I can't stop it!". Your shep goes: "Yes, you can! Redeem yourself and stop this!" Saren proceeds to an hero(before thanking your Shephard). But it was all just an elaborate ruse as he arises fully possessed by Sovereign.

[EricHVela]

It's a meaningful "choice" (skill check) even though the payoff isn't immediate. It comes back in the second fight if you succeeded before the first fight.

Some of the choices affect something later even if the immediate events play out the same. That's a deviation from a lot of storytelling, a deviation that should become more common than it is.

[Finwaell]

Originally posted by ChuckyDontCare:

You can convince him to off himself and get straight to the Myrkul fight, which was a surprise to me when I pulled it off.

he doesn't "off himself" lol he transforms into an avatar of Myrkul and when you beat him he transoforms back for some more dialogue. if you check the apostle of death it has ketheric's elven traits lol

[MeltingPotOfFriendship]

Originally posted by Finwaell:

Originally posted by ChuckyDontCare:

You can convince him to off himself and get straight to the Myrkul fight, which was a surprise to me when I pulled it off.

he doesn't "off himself" lol he transforms into an avatar of Myrkul and when you beat him he transoforms back for some more dialogue. if you check the apostle of death it has ketheric's elven traits lol

Maybe we are watching different scenes then. Because I seem to recall that when you get him to a certain point, he t-poses in front of your party to assert his dominance before going into the pit to sacrifice himself to Myrkul to become his avatar. I'd consider that killing himself. And yeah yeah, he's already dead but my point stands.

[God Queen 158]

Would have been cool to talk Ketheric down. All the lore you can learn about his story would have felt better if you could talk him down and absorb him onto your team.