EVERYONE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE SCROLLS.... FIX THE GAME!

[Sephiroth]

THIS IS RIDICULOUSLY STUPID ANYONE CAN USE SCROLLS... WTF

[zero]

i mean you are right but its a video game, it already makes a lot of choices outside the rules

[Adam__86]

I GOT 99 PROBLEMS BUT A SCROLL AINT ONE

[MachineGod]

Uses scroll as a female ork Berserker 8 int and 8wisdom (she uses her dong to open the scroll of course)

[Sistalis]

5e DND is vague on this rule DM guide pg139 says anyone who can read can activate a scroll but pg200 says a spell from a scroll can only be casted if the class of the character could cast such a spell.

So I'm guessing they chose the pg139 rule.

[zero]

Originally posted by Sistalis:

5e DND is vague on this rule DM guide pg139 says anyone who can read can activate a scroll but pg200 says a spell from a scroll can only be casted if the class of the character could cast such a spell.

So I'm guessing they chose the pg139 rule.

dmg isn't the rulebook generally and is fun little twists a dm can do to play with the players to make the game more engaging.

the phb which all players should read has the official rulings

[Sistalis]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Sistalis:

5e DND is vague on this rule DM guide pg139 says anyone who can read can activate a scroll but pg200 says a spell from a scroll can only be casted if the class of the character could cast such a spell.

So I'm guessing they chose the pg139 rule.

dmg isn't the rulebook generally and is fun little twists a dm can do to play with the players to make the game more engaging.

the phb which all players should read has the official rulings

I'm still new to 5e , I have the books on the Beyond D&D app. Coming from 2e I always tough the DMG was leading. I'll need to scan through my pgb.

[DragonMaster]

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

THIS IS RIDICULOUSLY STUPID ANYONE CAN USE SCROLLS... WTF

Now its been years since I played PNP DND back around 2nd and 3rd edition were out and IIRC only spell casters i.e clerics, mages, illusionist etc. could cast spells. So fighters and thieves for example couldn't cast them. Just like thieves and assassins were the only two that could open locks and detect and remove traps. But a lot has changed both in the world of DND and the real world.

[zero]

Originally posted by Sistalis:

Originally posted by zero:

dmg isn't the rulebook generally and is fun little twists a dm can do to play with the players to make the game more engaging.

the phb which all players should read has the official rulings

I'm still new to 5e , I have the books on the Beyond D&D app. Coming from 2e I always tough the DMG was leading. I'll need to scan through my pgb.

well look at this way: if the players only read the phb, and all the actual rules in the dmg, it'd be a pain int he ass for the dm who'd have to constantly correct the players, you know?

the dmg is a guide for the dm to make the game fun, its an important read, but a lot in it doesn't mean anything to the players themselves, so it'd be a bit weird if the rules were in there.

not to say you cant use the ruling in there for spells, but the "rules" as the players would know them would simply state the scroll would look like gibberish.

[JF]

Simple solution: don't use scrolls with non-caster characters.

[EricHVela]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Sistalis:

5e DND is vague on this rule DM guide pg139 says anyone who can read can activate a scroll but pg200 says a spell from a scroll can only be casted if the class of the character could cast such a spell.

So I'm guessing they chose the pg139 rule.

dmg isn't the rulebook generally and is fun little twists a dm can do to play with the players to make the game more engaging.

the phb which all players should read has the official rulings

So, what does the PHB say about scrolls?

It's not in there.

(The official WotC-published 5e "Basic Rules"—not the PHB but a separate, free publication—has spell scrolls listed under DM's Tools on page 200.)

[Kadh2000]

5e on scrolls: These rules are in the DMG. Who can use scrolls is not addressed in the PH. If you are using a spell scroll, it must be on your class list and you must be able to read. If it is a scroll of protection or some such that is not on a class list, then you must be able to read is the only requirement.

[Nico]

Then don't scroll down the thread to see me laughing at you, OP.

[zero]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

Originally posted by zero:

dmg isn't the rulebook generally and is fun little twists a dm can do to play with the players to make the game more engaging.

the phb which all players should read has the official rulings

So, what does the PHB say about scrolls?

It's not in there.

(The official WotC-published 5e "Basic Rules"—not the PHB but a separate, free publication—has spell scrolls listed under DM's Tools on page 200.)

my mistake on location then entirely, this should be the official wording though, correct?

Originally posted by spell scrolls:

A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components. Otherwise, the scroll is unintelligible. Casting the spell by reading the scroll requires the spell’s normal casting time. Once the spell is cast, the words on the scroll fade, and it crumbles to dust. If the casting is interrupted, the scroll is not lost.

[Tenor Sounds]

I kind of agree from a 5e perspective, but considering scrolls still uses your "spellcasting modifier" it means you're mostly going to want your spellcasters using them.

Sure, utility spells that don't use the spellcasting modifier are now able to be used by anyone effectively, but is that a big deal? Most of those spells aren't worth the spent action during combat when you would otherwise sneak attack or multiattack, and if you're outside of combat does it matter if the wizard casts feather fall or if it's your fighter?

The most "broken" one I can think of is misty step since that's a bonus action, but it's not like you're going to have a dozen of those handy to cheese encounters.

[ShadowDark3]

I think we can all agree that regardless of your stance on spell scrolls, it does not warrant using all caps.