Danse Macabre

[Chair Force One]

Can anyone elaborate on why the effort to reward ratio on this side quest is so awful?
I was under the impression this was supposed to be 'the best spell' in the game but it's been horrifically awful in literally every fight.

Worked my ass off to get everything in honor mode only to have my party wiped by my own spell because I can't control any of it?

Why?

[Kafik]

Disintegrate is the best spell in the game.

[Maraxus]

My party got stuck in the sewers because of it lol... I will only use it as cannon fodder now for the more difficult fights...

[Iron Reaper]

It’s very useful to use them to soak up hits while you’re obliterating things

[The_Dipl0mat]

Treat em as chaff just like you would an earth elemental

[seeker1]

So, here's the thing. After all the trouble to get it ... won't belabor it, but it requires not just the original book NoT but also getting a supplement , the Tharciate Codex, from Sorcerous Sundries ...

Yeah, the Danse spell doesn't seem worth it. It summons four ghouls, they don't seem much different from ones that you get from Animate Dead, but they are not under your control - as you found.

That said, I have never had them turn on and attack me. It's just that they will attack enemies - they are "green allied" - but you have no control over them. They are totally run by the game's AI which, frankly, sucks. (Hmmm, maybe they got you "wiped" by aggro'ing the wrong stuff -- ? -- yeah, that's annoying too.)

Of the other 3 spells you can get at Sorcerous Sundries, Dethrone and Artistry of War are good. I guess so good you need to LR after casting them, even if you still have Lvl 5 spell slots. I really get that with AoW as admittedly it's OP as crap. Dethrone is not THAT great as compared to Disintegrate etc. And the Summon Seelie spell? Shrug. It summons a deva, but if you get Planar Ally, you can summon a deva, OR a cambion or djinni. (Yes, I know it's not on the normal wizard spell list, but ... )

Out of all of them, Artistry of War is the one you want most, I think. It's magic missiles' really big, really nasty big brother.

[RhodosGuard]

So it doesnt hurt as much when you sacrifice the Knowledge for a +2 stat boost in House of grief.

[Maraxus]

What's the story behind the wipe though, that's the most interesting part!

[Chair Force One]

Originally posted by Maraxus:

What's the story behind the wipe though, that's the most interesting part!

I used them for the first time while I was in the iron throne prison and didn't know that they were uncontrollable. When I had saved everyone and we all got back on the ship, the stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ piece of ♥♥♥♥ ghouls got onto the submarine and then blew the ♥♥♥♥ up and killed my entire party and every single person I saved AS WELL as the driver of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ submarine.

Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rage inducing.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by We're screwed.:

Originally posted by Maraxus:

What's the story behind the wipe though, that's the most interesting part!

I used them for the first time while I was in the iron throne prison and didn't know that they were uncontrollable. When I had saved everyone and we all got back on the ship, the stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ piece of ♥♥♥♥ ghouls blew the ♥♥♥♥ up and killed my entire party and every single person I saved AS WELL as the driver of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ submarine.

Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rage inducing.

Oh my god thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious but that sucks so bad

[Maraxus]

Originally posted by We're screwed.:

Originally posted by Maraxus:

What's the story behind the wipe though, that's the most interesting part!

I used them for the first time while I was in the iron throne prison and didn't know that they were uncontrollable. When I had saved everyone and we all got back on the ship, the stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ piece of ♥♥♥♥ ghouls got onto the ship and then blew the ♥♥♥♥ up and killed my entire party and every single person I saved AS WELL as the driver of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ submarine.

Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rage inducing.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.. but how did they blow up, still a hell of a story. xD
Also a nice headups lol.

I was going to face minsc where you have to go through the narrow tunnel... but because they were summoned by my mainchar they blocked the way for the rest of my party whom were behind... couldn't even fly over... and the ghouls wouldn't move lol... that made things 100x more annoying than it should have been.

[Chair Force One]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by We're screwed.:

I used them for the first time while I was in the iron throne prison and didn't know that they were uncontrollable. When I had saved everyone and we all got back on the ship, the stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ piece of ♥♥♥♥ ghouls blew the ♥♥♥♥ up and killed my entire party and every single person I saved AS WELL as the driver of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ submarine.

Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rage inducing.

Oh my god thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious but that sucks so bad

It's made worse by the fact I completed basically every side quest, main quest and personal quest and only had gortash and the brain left once I completed the iron throne .

I had to take a break for a few days before starting another durge honor run.

[Chair Force One]

Originally posted by Maraxus:

Originally posted by We're screwed.:

I used them for the first time while I was in the iron throne prison and didn't know that they were uncontrollable. When I had saved everyone and we all got back on the ship, the stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ piece of ♥♥♥♥ ghouls got onto the ship and then blew the ♥♥♥♥ up and killed my entire party and every single person I saved AS WELL as the driver of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ submarine.

Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rage inducing.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.. but how did they blow up, still a hell of a story. xD
Also a nice headups lol.

I was going to face minsc where you have to go through the narrow tunnel... but because they were summoned by my mainchar they blocked the way for the rest of my party whom were behind... couldn't even fly over... and the ghouls wouldn't move lol... that made things 100x more annoying than it should have been.

When the ghouls die they have a 'death burst' which does aoe damage, for whatever reason the 'long rest' timer on their lives ran out as everyone got on the ship... they climbed up the ladder and I guess the move to the cutscene is counted as a 'rest' because they just exploded as the cutscene started and then everyone turned into mince meat and I got a game over. I don't know if it was a bug or if that's how it was meant to be, but the lack of control is seriously a problem, especially since I just wanted them to body block the ladder from the stupid fish and DEFINITELY NOT FOLLOW ME INTO AN ENCLOSED SUB ><

[Maraxus]

Originally posted by We're screwed.:

Originally posted by Maraxus:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.. but how did they blow up, still a hell of a story. xD
Also a nice headups lol.

I was going to face minsc where you have to go through the narrow tunnel... but because they were summoned by my mainchar they blocked the way for the rest of my party whom were behind... couldn't even fly over... and the ghouls wouldn't move lol... that made things 100x more annoying than it should have been.

When the ghouls die they have a 'death burst' which does aoe damage, for whatever reason the 'long rest' timer on their lives ran out as everyone got on the ship... they climbed up the ladder and I guess the move to the cutscene is counted as a 'rest' because they just exploded as the cutscene started and then everyone turned into mince meat and I got a game over. I don't know if it was a bug or if that's how it was meant to be, but the lack of control is seriously a problem, especially since I just wanted them to body block the ladder from the stupid fish and DEFINITELY NOT FOLLOW ME INTO AN ENCLOSED SUB ><

Damn I just got the book for the first time so I didn't know they did that! But yeah it sucks doesn't sound like that's intended... I guess I will just save them for boss fights or something lol. Still you got a cool story to tell.. >.>

[seeker1]

Seems like in Early Access the Danse Macabre ghouls were controllable. At release the spell was changed. You know, balance and all that.

Anyhoo ... unsurprisingly, there's a mod to restore the spell to working the way it did in EA at Nexus.

P.S. just get Animate Dead ++ mod if you want to engage in necromancy, and it actually being useful and practical.

[SiFi]

Its flat out broken. I cant say how you chose to play, but having cannon fodder in any game like this is akin to cheating. Simply giving the badies more targets to waste powerful attacks/spells on gives you such an advantage its (like i said) akin to cheating.